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    Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 16

    i'm sure it's a coincidence that we decided it was too much to ask for programmers to handle memory allocation and twenty years later if you leave a social media website tab open for a day now it's using 876 MB of memory

    11:14 AM - 16 Jul 2018
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      2. Someone Else‏ @antimule Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I agree that most web code is crap, but if they were forced to use C++ it would still amount to 876 MB due to memory leaks. Nothing short of real AI can force code to be good. Here's Steve Yegge on pitfalls of low level languages and local optimization http://c0de517e.blogspot.com/2009/03/optimization-again-from-steve-yegge.html …

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 16
        Replying to @antimule

        honestly, we don't actually need programmers to manage memory C++ style, we just need them to be *able* to. the real problem is that GC languages implicitly teach people that malloc is a free operation and therefore teach them to waste it absolutely firehose-style

        2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime @antimule

        if you just dial that back *moderately* instead of writing everything as fluent transformations that allocate twelve intermediary data structures because those look nicer than crusty old for loops in your IDE, the results are tremendous

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      5. Candy Corn Woman‏ @WomanCorn Jul 17
        Replying to @chaosprime @antimule

        How do you feel about Rust's memory management?

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      6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 17
        Replying to @WomanCorn @antimule

        i haven't fucked with it, people seem enthused which arouses both hope and suspicion

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime

        thinking about it backwards. it's using 875MB _with_ an automatic garbage collector trying to free up whatever it can. now imagine how much memory it would use if there wasn't even a GC?

        3 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 16
        Replying to @danlistensto

        that definitely makes up for teaching a generation of developers (who i was going to call coders but the word turned to ashes in my mouth) that malloc is a free operation

        0 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
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      2. Andreⓐ‏ @puellavulnerata Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime

        I once had a job where I had to explain to a Java dev that garbage collection doesn't mean you can just leak 500 threads and have no problems.

        1 reply 2 retweets 12 likes
      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 16
        Replying to @puellavulnerata

        thank you for your service

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. Brontes hammer‏ @NIFTYNEC Jul 17
        Replying to @chaosprime

        Is that why my computer is so slow?

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 17
        Replying to @NIFTYNEC

        yes actually

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      2. Spinborg Botticcus‏ @Spinborg Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime

        what kind of programmers

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      3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 16
        Replying to @Spinborg

        non-embedded-systems

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      2. GSV So Much For Sobriety‏ @anti_nihilist Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime

        On one level I'm disgusted, but on another, more important level, I just want Chrome tabs to pass the bare minimum requirement of "not crashing"

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. GSV So Much For Sobriety‏ @anti_nihilist Jul 17
        Replying to @anti_nihilist @chaosprime

        pic.twitter.com/Gj0VtpN8jw

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      4. GSV So Much For Sobriety‏ @anti_nihilist Jul 17
        Replying to @anti_nihilist @chaosprime

        Also, Chrome has straight up nuked all links on all TvTropes pages. Firefox renders fine. I really do not want to go back to Firefox, but after making tabs the same indistinguishable-from-each-other rectangle style, the crashes, and the webpage rendering fuckups, I may.

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      1. Erik Seaberg‏ @ErikSeaberg Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime

        To be fair, it's not THEIR memory they're wasting.

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      1. pmiri‏ @_pmiri Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime @SaucercrabZero

        Good hardware has spoiled programmers

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      2. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 Jul 16
        Replying to @chaosprime @puellavulnerata

        I think real time GC is an interesting topic, but... yea... :/

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      3. William D. Jones‏ @cr1901 Jul 16
        Replying to @cr1901 @chaosprime @puellavulnerata

        (To be clear, something like this: http://home.pipeline.com/~hbaker1/RealTimeGC.html …)

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