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    1. mcc‏ @mcclure111 Jul 14

      Opinion: Virtue signaling is good because virtue is good and expressing your concept of virtue in a public way can serve as a persuasive tactic to convince others to adopt it

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 14
      Replying to @mcclure111

      virtue signaling is only good as long as it fulfills the function of, for example, a peacock tail (the biological signaling the concept is derived from): if it's costly enough to prove the existence of the virtue. *cheap* virtue signaling is worse than useless

      2 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
    3. mcc‏ @mcclure111 Jul 15
      Replying to @chaosprime

      the reason i dont accept "virtue signaling" as a real thing is that theres no particular way to distinguish a false signal of virtue from simply being virtuous. when i see people attack "virtue signaling" it is roughly universally meaning "your values are different from mine"

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 15
      Replying to @mcclure111

      sure there is. if one claims adherence to, for example, the Christian virtue that one should sell all one's belongings and give them to the poor, the person espousing this from their Upper West Side apartment and the person who actually did it have way different tax returns

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    5. helios‏ @helios_daedalus Jul 15
      Replying to @chaosprime @mcclure111

      Individual verification would be great, but #onhere, these kinds of things are almost impossible to prove. And attempting to chase down every single claimant would be similar to trying to disprove every crank assertion by creationists and flat-earthers. This simply doesn't scale.

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 15
      Replying to @helios_daedalus @mcclure111

      which would mean that #onhere all virtue signaling is cheap virtue signaling 🤔 that isn't entirely true because you do see people fighting over the amount of time and energy they spend volunteering or protesting or what-have-you, which is virtue signal authentication, but close

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    7. helios‏ @helios_daedalus Jul 15
      Replying to @chaosprime @mcclure111

      It actually means that because you cannot effectively discriminate between "true" virtue and "mere signalling", it makes more sense to accept it all as virtue... or reject all virtue out of hand. The latter is a far worse and more cynical outcome for promoting virtue.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jul 15
      Replying to @helios_daedalus @mcclure111

      i guess it depends on whether you think an environment where preference falsification cascades have made cheap performativity essentially mandatory is hunky-dory or not

      12:19 PM - 15 Jul 2018
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        1. helios‏ @helios_daedalus Jul 15
          Replying to @chaosprime @mcclure111

          Again, the fact that you can't reliably (or at scale) disambiguate what is and isn't performative makes this point moot. The other issue is that on platforms that only allow for performativity (I.e. the internet), that may be the best you can get.

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