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    1. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      so your argument against compatibilism is basically "no u"?

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      what the fuck even is compatibilism besides "we need to punish people to control them so let's pretend they could have done anything differently than they did"

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    3. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      there are plenty of compatibilists who are explicitly against retributivism. dennett is one

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    4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      okay. it's still handwaving that reduces to emotional appeals. it doesn't contain a coherent concept of what "free will" even is that doesn't rely on the concept of a soul that's somehow interactive with the world without being causally determined by it, because it can't

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    5. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      maybe you should at least read the SEP article on compatibilism or something before going all "facts don't care about your feelings" on them

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    6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      the SEP article on compatibilism OPENS BY TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S MAKING PROPOSITIONS ABOUT A PROPERTY IT CAN'T COHERENTLY DEFINE and segues into how really we're trying to make moral responsibility i.e. authority to punish compatible with determinism

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    7. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      ok you read like two sentences of it and misread it even at that. 1. moral responsibility doesn't entail that punishment is justified. 2. compatibilism is sometimes expressed as the view that moral responsibility is compatible with determinism, as it states

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    8. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej @chaosprime

      even if we accept such a definition and even if we erroneously believe that entails that punishment is justified, what makes someone capable of moral responsibility reveals interesting facts about agency that go beyond the moral implications of it

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      all of that shit is a lot of song and dance around the fact that we *are going to* exert interference against collections of molecules that are inconvenient to us so we like to make up doctrines that permit us to do so

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    10. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      ok whatever makes you feel better about dismissing large hosts of philosophical work you haven't read

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      i don't have to read everything Piers Anthony has ever written to know that he's crap. if these numbnuts motherfuckers had come up with a usable definition of free will that's neither "casuality but let's pretend" nor acausality you would have brought it up by now tbqf

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        2. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime

          i'm not even talking about "everything". just at least some of it

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        3. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @gabrielamadej @chaosprime

          you're just throwing edgy rhetoric all over the place and dismissing half-understood ideas you refuse to get more acquainted with

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
          Replying to @gabrielamadej

          or possibly i actually studied philosophy beyond the 100 level and have a lot of frustration with the gigantic nodes of bullshit still embedded in it

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          as far as refusing to get more acquainted with things, the primary metastatic mode of continental philosophy is leading you down the garden path with so much bullshit you forget your own name and buy into it just out of sunk costs, so yeah, i refuse sometimes

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 28
          Replying to @djinnius @gabrielamadej

          what, the "if people have this property we're not going to define, then necessarily fundamental particles have it, and now everybody is going to use this to baselessly assert that Real Smart Scientists proved free will exists" theorem? i mean, the question is what it should do

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        8. sam atman‏ @djinnius Jun 28
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          I don't need to prove that it exists, only that your contempt and begging off the question is on shaky ground. You're smarter than this.

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        9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 28
          Replying to @djinnius @gabrielamadej

          begging off what question? the Free Will Theorem and Strong Free Will Theorem literally demonstrate nothing about free will other than that if it existed, it would be a property of particles, with Conway then demonstrating free will's existence by handwaving

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        2. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Jun 28
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          If you tell me you have ever read Chthon while stoned and still believe that first one, I'll take your word for it.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 28
          Replying to @legalinspire @gabrielamadej

          it's honestly a coin flip as to whether i've read Chthon at all but i definitely wasn't stoned at the time if i did

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        4. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Jun 28
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          Then I propose that your assertion, while not proven wrong, lacks key supporting data

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 28
          Replying to @legalinspire @gabrielamadej

          duly noted i'll also freely admit that On A Pale Horse is without qualification a good book and it's a shame he had no idea what made it one

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        6. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Jun 28
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          For the most part, Anthony is a classic Golden Age writer, as in "The Golden Age of Science Fiction is fourteen." Best example is the "Bio of a Space Tyrant" books. Loved them when I was young. Can't imagine trying to read them now.

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        7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 28
          Replying to @legalinspire @gabrielamadej

          lol given the polemic throughline of those i definitely see why i appreciated them when i was thirteen and also am pretty sure it was not good for me to be reading them

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        8. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Jun 28
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          He is a super nice man and I loved the Xanth books when I was a kid so I am prone to defending him, but I have no illusions about the quality of much of his work.

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        9. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Jun 28
          Replying to @legalinspire @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          Also come on how can you not love a guy who refuses to give up on a porn novel he wrote in the Seventies and publishes it twenty years laterhttps://boingboing.net/2010/06/14/piers-anthonys-pornu.html …

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        1. Marc Whipple - Legal Inspiration!‏ @legalinspire Jun 28
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          Also this kind of reminds me about HARLIE and Auberson arguing about moral philosophy. "They're working on it." "They've been working on it for two thousand years. I am unimpressed with their rate of progress."

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