+ even though i'm favourable to libertarian free will, i don't think there are really any good arguments against compatibilism
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
sure there are, that it's fucking nonsense. either things happen for reasons and we live in a nightmare cosmos or things happen for no reason and we live in an even more nightmare cosmos. a free will that's caused isn't anyone's idea of free will and an uncaused one is worse.
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Replying to @chaosprime
so your argument against compatibilism is basically "no u"?
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
what the fuck even is compatibilism besides "we need to punish people to control them so let's pretend they could have done anything differently than they did"
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Replying to @chaosprime
there are plenty of compatibilists who are explicitly against retributivism. dennett is one
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
okay. it's still handwaving that reduces to emotional appeals. it doesn't contain a coherent concept of what "free will" even is that doesn't rely on the concept of a soul that's somehow interactive with the world without being causally determined by it, because it can't
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Replying to @chaosprime
maybe you should at least read the SEP article on compatibilism or something before going all "facts don't care about your feelings" on them
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
the SEP article on compatibilism OPENS BY TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S MAKING PROPOSITIONS ABOUT A PROPERTY IT CAN'T COHERENTLY DEFINE and segues into how really we're trying to make moral responsibility i.e. authority to punish compatible with determinism
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Replying to @chaosprime
ok you read like two sentences of it and misread it even at that. 1. moral responsibility doesn't entail that punishment is justified. 2. compatibilism is sometimes expressed as the view that moral responsibility is compatible with determinism, as it states
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Replying to @gabrielamadej @chaosprime
even if we accept such a definition and even if we erroneously believe that entails that punishment is justified, what makes someone capable of moral responsibility reveals interesting facts about agency that go beyond the moral implications of it
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all of that shit is a lot of song and dance around the fact that we *are going to* exert interference against collections of molecules that are inconvenient to us so we like to make up doctrines that permit us to do so
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Replying to @chaosprime
ok whatever makes you feel better about dismissing large hosts of philosophical work you haven't read
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