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    1. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      the main problem is that the free will skeptic has a lot to deal with. you usually need to outline controversial views of causality or equally controversial interpretations of modern neuroscientific findings to really motivate free will skepticism

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    2. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej @chaosprime

      + even though i'm favourable to libertarian free will, i don't think there are really any good arguments against compatibilism

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    3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      sure there are, that it's fucking nonsense. either things happen for reasons and we live in a nightmare cosmos or things happen for no reason and we live in an even more nightmare cosmos. a free will that's caused isn't anyone's idea of free will and an uncaused one is worse.

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    4. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      so your argument against compatibilism is basically "no u"?

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      what the fuck even is compatibilism besides "we need to punish people to control them so let's pretend they could have done anything differently than they did"

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    6. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      there are plenty of compatibilists who are explicitly against retributivism. dennett is one

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      okay. it's still handwaving that reduces to emotional appeals. it doesn't contain a coherent concept of what "free will" even is that doesn't rely on the concept of a soul that's somehow interactive with the world without being causally determined by it, because it can't

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    8. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      maybe you should at least read the SEP article on compatibilism or something before going all "facts don't care about your feelings" on them

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    9. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      the SEP article on compatibilism OPENS BY TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S MAKING PROPOSITIONS ABOUT A PROPERTY IT CAN'T COHERENTLY DEFINE and segues into how really we're trying to make moral responsibility i.e. authority to punish compatible with determinism

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    10. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
      Replying to @chaosprime

      ok you read like two sentences of it and misread it even at that. 1. moral responsibility doesn't entail that punishment is justified. 2. compatibilism is sometimes expressed as the view that moral responsibility is compatible with determinism, as it states

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      FIRST SENTENCE "It would be misleading to specify a strict definition of free will since in the philosophical work devoted to this notion there is probably no single concept of it." i.e. PAY NO ATTENTION TO OUR LACK OF ONE SINGLE LEG TO STAND ON

      10:46 PM - 27 Jun 2018
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        1. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime

          it's just being sensitive to the fact that there are many different, competing ways to account for free will and what is important about it there is obviously substantive content about what makes up agency over our actions and what is important about that too. this is dishonest

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