+ even though i'm favourable to libertarian free will, i don't think there are really any good arguments against compatibilism
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
sure there are, that it's fucking nonsense. either things happen for reasons and we live in a nightmare cosmos or things happen for no reason and we live in an even more nightmare cosmos. a free will that's caused isn't anyone's idea of free will and an uncaused one is worse.
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Replying to @chaosprime
so your argument against compatibilism is basically "no u"?
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
what the fuck even is compatibilism besides "we need to punish people to control them so let's pretend they could have done anything differently than they did"
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Replying to @chaosprime
there are plenty of compatibilists who are explicitly against retributivism. dennett is one
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Replying to @gabrielamadej
okay. it's still handwaving that reduces to emotional appeals. it doesn't contain a coherent concept of what "free will" even is that doesn't rely on the concept of a soul that's somehow interactive with the world without being causally determined by it, because it can't
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Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej
and even if you want to buy into that line it's just pushing the problem back a layer because even if a different kind of causality applies to the soul it's still a causality or it's just things happening for no reason again
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Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej
is this just reduction to materialistic monism again, because that positron is self refuting
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if everything is deterministic there's no point in having a conversation at all, because all the responses are just predetermined chemistry happening.
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Replying to @palecur @gabrielamadej
sure there is, because the conversation becomes part of the preconditions for the further predetermined chemistry
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and in any event that's the form all argument for free will takes, "if we contemplated reality we would be sad so let's not contemplate reality"
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