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    1. winter gab  ❄️‏ @gabrielamadej 27 Jun 2018
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      it's called hard determinism because it is hard to maintain belief in it in face of all the concerns against it

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    2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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      uhh are any of these concerns not argument-from-ought-to-is

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    3. winter gab  ❄️‏ @gabrielamadej 27 Jun 2018
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      the main problem is that the free will skeptic has a lot to deal with. you usually need to outline controversial views of causality or equally controversial interpretations of modern neuroscientific findings to really motivate free will skepticism

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    4. winter gab  ❄️‏ @gabrielamadej 27 Jun 2018
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      + even though i'm favourable to libertarian free will, i don't think there are really any good arguments against compatibilism

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    5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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      sure there are, that it's fucking nonsense. either things happen for reasons and we live in a nightmare cosmos or things happen for no reason and we live in an even more nightmare cosmos. a free will that's caused isn't anyone's idea of free will and an uncaused one is worse.

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    6. winter gab  ❄️‏ @gabrielamadej 27 Jun 2018
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      so your argument against compatibilism is basically "no u"?

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    7. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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      what the fuck even is compatibilism besides "we need to punish people to control them so let's pretend they could have done anything differently than they did"

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    8. winter gab  ❄️‏ @gabrielamadej 27 Jun 2018
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      there are plenty of compatibilists who are explicitly against retributivism. dennett is one

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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      okay. it's still handwaving that reduces to emotional appeals. it doesn't contain a coherent concept of what "free will" even is that doesn't rely on the concept of a soul that's somehow interactive with the world without being causally determined by it, because it can't

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        2. winter gab  ❄️‏ @gabrielamadej 27 Jun 2018
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          maybe you should at least read the SEP article on compatibilism or something before going all "facts don't care about your feelings" on them

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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          the SEP article on compatibilism OPENS BY TALKING ABOUT HOW IT'S MAKING PROPOSITIONS ABOUT A PROPERTY IT CAN'T COHERENTLY DEFINE and segues into how really we're trying to make moral responsibility i.e. authority to punish compatible with determinism

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        2. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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          and even if you want to buy into that line it's just pushing the problem back a layer because even if a different kind of causality applies to the soul it's still a causality or it's just things happening for no reason again

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        3. despairagus‏ @palecur 27 Jun 2018
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          is this just reduction to materialistic monism again, because that positron is self refuting

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        2. despairagus‏ @palecur 27 Jun 2018
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          I'd be surprised, since that's exactly the most parsimonious and useful definition, why eschew it?

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 27 Jun 2018
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          because on the one hand it's probably bullshit and on the other hand if it isn't bullshit it doesn't actually resolve the issue at all, it just puts it behind a Wizard of Oz curtain

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        1. HRose/Abalieno‏ @MrSkimpole 28 Jun 2018
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          free will is "lack of information", and freedom is always a concept relative to a system. There isn't any usable meaning of freedom as an absolute concept.

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