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    1. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27

      it's called hard determinism because it is hard to maintain belief in it in face of all the concerns against it

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
      Replying to @gabrielamadej

      uhh are any of these concerns not argument-from-ought-to-is

      9:58 PM - 27 Jun 2018
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        2. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime

          the main problem is that the free will skeptic has a lot to deal with. you usually need to outline controversial views of causality or equally controversial interpretations of modern neuroscientific findings to really motivate free will skepticism

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        3. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @gabrielamadej @chaosprime

          + even though i'm favourable to libertarian free will, i don't think there are really any good arguments against compatibilism

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        4. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
          Replying to @gabrielamadej

          sure there are, that it's fucking nonsense. either things happen for reasons and we live in a nightmare cosmos or things happen for no reason and we live in an even more nightmare cosmos. a free will that's caused isn't anyone's idea of free will and an uncaused one is worse.

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        5. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime

          so your argument against compatibilism is basically "no u"?

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        6. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
          Replying to @gabrielamadej

          what the fuck even is compatibilism besides "we need to punish people to control them so let's pretend they could have done anything differently than they did"

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        7. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime

          there are plenty of compatibilists who are explicitly against retributivism. dennett is one

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        8. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
          Replying to @gabrielamadej

          okay. it's still handwaving that reduces to emotional appeals. it doesn't contain a coherent concept of what "free will" even is that doesn't rely on the concept of a soul that's somehow interactive with the world without being causally determined by it, because it can't

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        9. autumn gab  🍂‏ @gabrielamadej Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime

          maybe you should at least read the SEP article on compatibilism or something before going all "facts don't care about your feelings" on them

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        2. Theodore Logan Kacynzski‏ @AbsurdNihilism Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          if determinism was true people would stop buying pants, and if people stopped buying pants, the system would crumble the reptilians must keep the wheel of pantedness spinning or we'd stop raising cows for them to harvest cow genetalia

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 27
          Replying to @AbsurdNihilism @gabrielamadej

          oh great another one with a podcast

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        4. Theodore Logan Kacynzski‏ @AbsurdNihilism Jun 27
          Replying to @chaosprime @gabrielamadej

          pantcast*

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