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    1. simpolism‏ @simpolism 11 Jun 2018
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      In which @ESYudkowsky rediscovers (a piece of) Aristotelian Virtue Ethics: "Don't lie when a normal highly honest person wouldn't..." https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xdwbX9pFEr7Pomaxv/meta-honesty-firming-up-honesty-around-its-edge-cases … "Aristotle's suggestion is not to imitate a specific person, but the theoretical virtuous agent."https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/5v7cvt/virtue_ethics_on_lying_murderer_at_the_door/de0c435/ …

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    2. despairagus‏ @palecur 11 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @simpolism @ESYudkowsky

      Yudkowsky slowly and badly reinventing millennia-old concepts is so on brand for him

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    3. simpolism‏ @simpolism 11 Jun 2018
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      The more historical ideas I learn, the more I see it. And I find it a little depressing, honestly. An intellectual tradition spanning thousands of years is here to engage with, and yet these bright individuals have decided to reinvent the wheel.

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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime 11 Jun 2018
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      i highly approve of reinventing the wheel because on some level i just don't believe you'll really understand why wheels are the way they are until you've done so, but once you do understand that you should definitely look into known art on the topic

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        2. simpolism‏ @simpolism 11 Jun 2018
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          simpolism Retweeted simpolism

          Right, like that quote from Tractatus: https://twitter.com/simpolism/status/999307459419430912 … But, I dunno, I guess I'd personally prefer to search for prior art/works to build on before publishing my own essay about whatever idea I'd come up with.

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          One might say that the magic of philosophy is compressing ideas you already had. See the preface to Wittgenstein's "Tractatus": "This book will perhaps only be understood by those who have themselves already thought the thoughts which are expressed in it—or similar thoughts."
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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 11 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @simpolism @palecur @ESYudkowsky

          ooh yeah publication before literature search does induce a bit of cringe doesn't it

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        2. despairagus‏ @palecur 11 Jun 2018
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          i absolutely believe in black-boxing and building on prior art; I in no way want to know how a car works if I know how to *operate* one.

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime 11 Jun 2018
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          absolutely flawless policy as long as none of your abstractions are leaky

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        2. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 11 Jun 2018
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          1/Learning is reinventing - just faster. An increasing issue with the transmission of culture is the sheer level of noise. This is particularly acute in areas of knowledge that require practice. [I've no doubt, for example, we've lost much of the classical art of rhetoric.]

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        3. Derek‏ @PereGrimmer 11 Jun 2018
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          2/there are incentive structures that could help foster the retention and development of practical knowledge & local knowledge. But they are but little developed -- the focus is rather on conferring sheepskins & the appearance of expertise.

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