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    1. emanation of psyche‏ @systemergent Jun 9

      emanation of psyche Retweeted Irenist 🇻🇦 🇺🇸 🇮🇪

      Not endorsing the rest of the thread but this point is worth a thought.https://twitter.com/1renist/status/1005434819591987203 …

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      Irenist 🇻🇦 🇺🇸 🇮🇪 @1renist
      Elites have the mental, social, and financial capital to attain bourgeois success norms in a libertine environment. Getting rid of the sexual norms that channel average people into flourishing lives just so elites can frolic is far more regressive than, say, a flat tax. https://twitter.com/primalpoly/status/1004931338162622464 …
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      Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 9
      Replying to @systemergent

      so enforced monogamy is telling a man he can't have a steak because a baby can't chew it yeah, checks out

      12:25 PM - 9 Jun 2018
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        2. emanation of psyche‏ @systemergent Jun 9
          Replying to @chaosprime

          Babies grow up, though. (Also, the notion of enforced monogamy is repugnant and one can only hope it fades away.)

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        3. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 9
          Replying to @systemergent

          that's the argument, though, right? the poors need enforced monogamy to be happy so everybody needs enforced monogamy otherwise it's mean to the poors? which at object level means, as always, that non-elite women need to stop thinking they have elite options like divorce?

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        4. emanation of psyche‏ @systemergent Jun 9
          Replying to @chaosprime

          Or we can read it as "average people for the most part struggle under sexual mores that elites find congenial" -- whatever the intentions of the OP. There are those who want to ban divorce and institute other bad and zany policies, and I do not want any part of that.

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        5. Chaos‏ @chaosprime Jun 9
          Replying to @systemergent

          yeah. i mean, it's an argument, and there could be something to it. it smells pretty strongly of leaning heavily on condescension, though. my experience of "average people" tends to indicate they can handle complex-as-shit sexual mores without particularly blinking

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        6. emanation of psyche‏ @systemergent Jun 9
          Replying to @chaosprime

          Fair. Maybe the issue is not so much "can this person handle this particular non-standard arrangement" (they probably can or they wouldn't be in it) but pushing people to be open to all the degrees of freedom "which you would be if you were cool and not a prig"...I don't know.

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        7. emanation of psyche‏ @systemergent Jun 9
          Replying to @systemergent @chaosprime

          Most people crave structure, limits, guidelines, a paint-by-numbers life in most respects. Those who know they want something different, whether the motivation comes from a specific need or from a restless will or from the thrill of transgression, they will go and find it.

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        8. Irenist 🇻🇦 🇺🇸 🇮🇪‏ @1renist Jun 9
          Replying to @systemergent @chaosprime

          Thanks to both of you for a thoughtful discussion. Re: ChaosPrime’s concerns:

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        9. Irenist 🇻🇦 🇺🇸 🇮🇪‏ @1renist Jun 9
          Replying to @1renist @systemergent @chaosprime

          1. I think we all—even clever elites—benefit from social norms that push us away from vice toward virtue. Just because elites can enjoy metabolizing more poison before it stops them from succeeding economically doesn’t mean it’s good for them, or that poison is steak

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