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    Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

    One of the interesting things about this New Yorker piece is how much it highlights the HCI community - both the SIGCHI research ethics committee (that I've been on since it was founded) and the "negative impacts" post with mostly HCI researcher authors.https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/who-should-stop-unethical-ai …

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      2. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        It seems like part of the answer to "who should stop unethical AI?" is "people who've been thinking about the impact that technology has on humans for a few decades now" and who are often dismissed as doing "easy" (LOL) computer science.

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      3. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        I also think that the SIGCHI research ethics committee is a model that others can learn from. It's not perfect, but I tend to describe it as an expert R3 or R4 brought in to provide a review based on ethical implications.pic.twitter.com/5QSzrJYTxD

        A few years ago, a number of A.I.-research organizations began to develop systems for addressing ethical impact. The Association for Computing Machinery’s Special Interest Group on Computer-Human Interaction (sigchi) is, by virtue of its focus, already committed to thinking about the role that technology plays in people’s lives; in 2016, it launched a small working group that grew into a research-ethics committee. The committee offers to review papers submitted to sigchi conferences, at the request of program chairs. In 2019, it received ten inquiries, mostly addressing research methods: How much should crowd-workers be paid? Is it O.K. to use data sets that are released when Web sites are hacked? By the next year, though, it was hearing from researchers with broader concerns. “Increasingly, we do see, especially in the A.I. space, more and more questions of, Should this kind of research even be a thing?” Katie Shilton, an information scientist at the University of Maryland and the cha
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      4. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        The article notes that "the committee’s decisions are nonbinding" but I would go even farther than that and say that the committee doesn't make decisions anymore than any single reviewer makes decisions. But I think that our input has been really useful to reviewers.

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      5. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        What the New Yorker piece doesn't mention is that (and this is not a secret) the most common outcome of engagement with the SIGCHI research ethics committee is not rejection, but instead suggestions for authors add more context and ethical reflection to their papers.

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      6. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        As the article notes, research is often "a matter of norms, not rules" and writing about ethical considerations and decisions (including possible negative impacts - and how to mitigate them) is HOW we form good ethical norms.

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      7. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD Retweeted Luke Stark

        also if you read the New York article please come back and read this thread after :)https://twitter.com/luke_stark/status/1361308435585851392?s=20 …

        Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD added,

        Luke Stark @luke_stark
        The New Yorker has a big piece on AI ethics out today (quoting lots of great folks) -- but with an overall framing that doesn't sit well with me, and particular characterizations that make my warning lights blink
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      8. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        Also a weird plot twist on the AI ethics New Yorker article... this paragraph that describes the author's previous piece? That was the "I'm just an engineer" article. You know, the quote that launched a thousand tweets? Well, apparently it wasn't a real quote...pic.twitter.com/0HEmP8IRh5

        The shadow of suspicion that now falls over much of A.I. research feels different in person than it does online. In early 2018, I attended Artificial Intelligence, Ethics, and Society, a conference in New Orleans, where a researcher presented a model that uses police data to guess whether a crime was gang-related. (I covered the event for Science.) The presenter took pointed questions from the audience about the possible unintended consequences of his research—could suspects be mislabelled as gang members?—before declaring, in exasperation, that he was just “a researcher.” Wrong answer. (“No one is ‘just an engineer’ if what you’re doing is going to result in a carceral outcome,” Hanna told me.) An audience member stormed out, reciting, in a German accent, a song about the Nazi rocket scientist Wernher von Braun: “Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?”
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      9. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        This paragraph used to directly quote the researcher as saying "I'm just an engineer." Then over a year later, updated: "This article previously misquoted Hau Chan. An event recording released after the article’s publication has clarified his wording." https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/02/artificial-intelligence-could-identify-gang-crimes-and-ignite-ethical-firestorm …pic.twitter.com/022Q2b90RY

        Hau Chan, a computer scientist now at Harvard University who was presenting the work, said they were not. “[These are the] sort of ethical questions that I don’t know how to answer appropriately,” he said, being just “a researcher.” Lemoine quoted a lyric from a song about the wartime rocket scientist Wernher von Braun, in a heavy German accent: “Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?” Then he angrily walked out.
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      10. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        I know this because I wrote this oped that quoted that quote. And last year the researcher contacted me and asked that I update my piece to remove the mis-quote (which I did). He was doing reputational damage control. :-\https://howwegettonext.com/what-our-tech-ethics-crisis-says-about-the-state-of-computer-science-education-a6a5544e1da6 …

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      11. Casey Fiesler, PhD, JD, geekD‏ @cfiesler Feb 15

        I'm happy to keep talking about the "I'm just an engineer" problem.. I've heard enough similar statements uttered. But can't help but find it ironic that the New Yorker article has a dig at people "trigger-happy with their moral outrage" given the misquote launched a bunch.

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