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    1. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle Jan 9

      I still don't rlly understand how RNG doesn't basically make most TAS runs a shot in the dark that may or may not succeed depending on what RNG the game generates. Or, I guess I don't understand why RNG in so many games can be manipulated to the degree that makes TAS runs viable.

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    2. Vincent Kinian‏ @Video_Game_King Jan 9
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      It's because the RNG has to start from some seed value, and for most players, the randomness comes from how far out they are from that seed value. In a TAS setting, you always know exactly when a given action is performed (how far out you are from the initial seed)...

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    3. Vincent Kinian‏ @Video_Game_King Jan 9
      Replying to @Video_Game_King @carolynmichelle

      ...so you'll always know which value it calls. And if you can perform some action that calls the RNG (dust motes in Super Mario 64, for example), then you can basically skip ahead a set amount of RNG values.

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      Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle Jan 9
      Replying to @Video_Game_King

      Yeah, I sort of get that, I guess what's weird to me is that so few games apparently do like die rolls throughout the game, like right when you (for instance) enter the boss room to determine if that boss you really need to move left moves left or right.

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        2. Vincent Kinian‏ @Video_Game_King Jan 9
          Replying to @carolynmichelle

          Many games actually do. Not only does the code call RNG every frame, but some games (usually RPGs, which rely pretty heavily on RNG) even have multiple random number generators to make manipulation even more difficult.

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        3. Vincent Kinian‏ @Video_Game_King Jan 9
          Replying to @Video_Game_King @carolynmichelle

          It's just that TASsing renders this a moot point. Real time speedruns can also render it moot under the right conditions; your "move left instead of right" example reminded me of Super Mario Bros.https://youtu.be/HUj_fPFpgvs?t=465 …

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        1. UNHchabo‏ @UNHchabo Jan 9
          Replying to @carolynmichelle @Video_Game_King

          Super Metroid is a great example of having tons of RNG calls, and it can still be manipulated in a TAS. If you enter Phantoon's room and he gives you a "slow" pattern, then you go back and enter the room 1 or 2 frames later so you can get a "fast" pattern.

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        2. Yak‏ @yakityyakblah Jan 10
          Replying to @carolynmichelle @Video_Game_King

          Computers can't actually randomly generate numbers. Every time a "random" number is called, it takes an existing value which increments frequently like frame count and runs it through an algorithm. If your gameplay is identical leading up to the rng call the seed number will too

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        3. Yak‏ @yakityyakblah Jan 10
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          If you were playing a board game, instead of rolling the dice it woukd be more akin to take your turn count, how many points you have, etc and running it through a formula to determine the "dice roll".

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