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    Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 10 Jan 2020

    A silly little thing I don't quite grasp about live TASes like this: If it's just a predetermined set of inputs, can't the RNG of the game fuck up the TAS if it goes one way instead of another? Or do these TASes always involve strict RNG manipulation so that isn't an issue?

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      1. David Lindsey Pittman‏Verified account @dphrygian 10 Jan 2020
        Replying to @carolynmichelle

        A lot of RNG on NES games was frame-dependent instead of using actual random number generators.

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      2. Tminimalist Wall Clocks‏ @tabatkins 10 Jan 2020
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        She's asking about cases where the running of the game involves randomness beyond controller inputs. Yeah, the TAS has to do RNG manipulation or it completely breaks immediately.

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      1. Lylovir‏ @lylovir 10 Jan 2020
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        I've always wondered the same thing..

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      2. BaronHaynes‏ @baronhaynes 10 Jan 2020
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        Assuming the memory values are the same from power on, games will always behave the same way to the same set of inputs. What seems "random" in real time is strictly deterministic, so while players can't reliably manipulate outcomes, TAS creators easily can.

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      3. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 10 Jan 2020
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        Got it, thank you!

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      1. springtime 4 skunk ape‏ @MaxMcAdams 10 Jan 2020
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        In game programming you want an RNG that doesn't depend on any outside behavior, just input. Makes debugging easier if something really weird happens. So, most games have an RNG that you can manipulate perfectly without major issues

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      1. Vincent Kinian‏ @Video_Game_King 10 Jan 2020
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        That's pretty much it. Most games either start from some initialized value or have a reliable method of randomly generating just such a value. Either way, knowing how the game produces RNG generally allows TASers to manipulate it or set things up in advance.

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