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    1. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I absolutely do. As an individual. Do I think it worked that way in terms of its cultural impact, that by and large patriarchal men left the film feeling a little uncomfortable, a little disrupted, a little challenged in their worldview? No. I sure don't.

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    2. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      This is, of course, impossible to know, even with the hazy "by and large" qualifier. But either way you think Scorsese should "account" for this "by not inadvertently glorifying the behaviors they actively intend to critique." Which is asking him to be a worse artist.

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    3. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I'm not advocating for that at all, though I think great art that's critical of patriarchal men and that doesn't glorify their behavior is absolutely possible.

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    4. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      I'm sorry, but you said that filmmakers "need to account" for the way people respond to their images, etc., by which you meant, you said, they should not "inadvertently glorify" the behavior. So I'll point you to the Hays Code.pic.twitter.com/5H2WinHzCt

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    5. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      That was under the hypothetical situation of them wanting to make films that would actually function as critiques (of patriarchy, toxic masculinity, w/e) in terms of their larger cultural impact. It's not a moral imperative or anything like that.

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    6. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      Even then I disagree, hypothetically or otherwise. That's saying that in order to make such a film, they need to hold our hands & treat us like children and make worse films. It's the difference between asking them to adhere to the Hays Code and demanding it. I don't like either.

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    7. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I definitely don't want simplistic, hand-holding art. I just want our conversations about complex art to acknowledge that there are millions of men out there so in love with violence and domination that their views of such depictions in cinema are deeply clouded by that love.

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    8. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      Yet what Valente said, which is where all this came from, was a critique of how Scorsese made his film. So you've just shifted the argument away from that. And what you're saying is not what she said.

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    9. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate @carolynmichelle

      And her critique was that he'd made it wrong because it wasn't simplistic enough. It was also an inaccurate description of GOODFELLAS. No one who lives to the end gets out of that movie happy.

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    10. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate @carolynmichelle

      And whether you believe it or not where this is all heading is, worst case scenario, simplistic art. As for the rest of what you said look at JOKER (I film I don't like at all). How many critics said it would cause violence? So far two guys were bounced from a theater for smoking

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      Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      So your answer is--just don't voice those critiques? I mean, the "violence" art may contribute to isn't like that. Films that work to maintain the patriarchal status quo are all drops in an ideological ocean. It doesn't mean they're harmless. This shit is all very complicated.

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        2. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @carolynmichelle

          No, my answer is "Understand the movie you're critiquing before you critique it." This has all blown up from a terrible, stupid misreading of a film that's not hard to read. I can't fathom why it's being defended by anyone.

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        3. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @faceyouhate @carolynmichelle

          Criticism carries its own responsibilities.

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