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    1. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle @faceyouhate

      And so *if* a film wants to function as a critique in terms of its cultural impact (which it's under no moral obligation to do), then the filmmakers need to understand and account for this about humans and how we collectively respond to images and narratives.

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    2. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      Account for it how?

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    3. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      By not inadvertently glorifying the behaviors they actively intend to critique. But that's hypothetical. Scorsese makes movies because he wants to tell certain kinds stories, not because he wants to actively critique or actively glorify certain kinds of masculinity.

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    4. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      I think that's an extreme reduction of what Scorsese does. Do you really not see GOODFELLAS as a critique of those characters?

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    5. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I absolutely do. As an individual. Do I think it worked that way in terms of its cultural impact, that by and large patriarchal men left the film feeling a little uncomfortable, a little disrupted, a little challenged in their worldview? No. I sure don't.

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    6. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
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      This is, of course, impossible to know, even with the hazy "by and large" qualifier. But either way you think Scorsese should "account" for this "by not inadvertently glorifying the behaviors they actively intend to critique." Which is asking him to be a worse artist.

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    7. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I'm not advocating for that at all, though I think great art that's critical of patriarchal men and that doesn't glorify their behavior is absolutely possible.

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    8. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      I'm sorry, but you said that filmmakers "need to account" for the way people respond to their images, etc., by which you meant, you said, they should not "inadvertently glorify" the behavior. So I'll point you to the Hays Code.pic.twitter.com/5H2WinHzCt

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    9. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      That was under the hypothetical situation of them wanting to make films that would actually function as critiques (of patriarchy, toxic masculinity, w/e) in terms of their larger cultural impact. It's not a moral imperative or anything like that.

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    10. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      Even then I disagree, hypothetically or otherwise. That's saying that in order to make such a film, they need to hold our hands & treat us like children and make worse films. It's the difference between asking them to adhere to the Hays Code and demanding it. I don't like either.

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      Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I definitely don't want simplistic, hand-holding art. I just want our conversations about complex art to acknowledge that there are millions of men out there so in love with violence and domination that their views of such depictions in cinema are deeply clouded by that love.

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        2. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @carolynmichelle

          Yet what Valente said, which is where all this came from, was a critique of how Scorsese made his film. So you've just shifted the argument away from that. And what you're saying is not what she said.

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        3. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @faceyouhate @carolynmichelle

          And her critique was that he'd made it wrong because it wasn't simplistic enough. It was also an inaccurate description of GOODFELLAS. No one who lives to the end gets out of that movie happy.

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