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    1. Tinker Tailor Soldier Wooloo‏ @MockWooloo 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      Scarface is probably an even more blatant one. Yes, you can see it as a parable of how drugs and obsessive ambition destroy his life and everything he cares for, but then you just have all the fanbros shouting "Haha! Say hello to my leetle friend! The world is yours! Awesome!"

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    2. Tinker Tailor Soldier Wooloo‏ @MockWooloo 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MockWooloo @carolynmichelle

      And of course the game even has him killing all his enemies at the film's end, and going on to basically become the Badass King of All Crime.

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    3. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @MockWooloo @carolynmichelle

      The problem, see, is that people are fundamentally misunderstanding these movies. For example, you say that at the end of SCARFACE, Tony Montana kills all his enemies and goes "on to basically become the Badass King of All Crime." Here's how SCARFACE actually ends.pic.twitter.com/BJdlShWnj5

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    4. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      Oh, I agree. I just think it's a reality that people will misunderstand these films, will be far more moved by images of excitement and glorification during a film than any consequences characters may ultimately face as a result of their actions.

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    5. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle @faceyouhate

      And so *if* a film wants to function as a critique in terms of its cultural impact (which it's under no moral obligation to do), then the filmmakers need to understand and account for this about humans and how we collectively respond to images and narratives.

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    6. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      Account for it how?

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    7. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      By not inadvertently glorifying the behaviors they actively intend to critique. But that's hypothetical. Scorsese makes movies because he wants to tell certain kinds stories, not because he wants to actively critique or actively glorify certain kinds of masculinity.

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    8. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      I think that's an extreme reduction of what Scorsese does. Do you really not see GOODFELLAS as a critique of those characters?

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    9. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I absolutely do. As an individual. Do I think it worked that way in terms of its cultural impact, that by and large patriarchal men left the film feeling a little uncomfortable, a little disrupted, a little challenged in their worldview? No. I sure don't.

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    10. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @carolynmichelle

      This is, of course, impossible to know, even with the hazy "by and large" qualifier. But either way you think Scorsese should "account" for this "by not inadvertently glorifying the behaviors they actively intend to critique." Which is asking him to be a worse artist.

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      Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
      Replying to @faceyouhate

      I'm not advocating for that at all, though I think great art that's critical of patriarchal men and that doesn't glorify their behavior is absolutely possible.

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        2. BILL RYAN‏ @faceyouhate 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @carolynmichelle

          I'm sorry, but you said that filmmakers "need to account" for the way people respond to their images, etc., by which you meant, you said, they should not "inadvertently glorify" the behavior. So I'll point you to the Hays Code.pic.twitter.com/5H2WinHzCt

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        3. Carolyn Petit‏Verified account @carolynmichelle 9 Oct 2019
          Replying to @faceyouhate

          That was under the hypothetical situation of them wanting to make films that would actually function as critiques (of patriarchy, toxic masculinity, w/e) in terms of their larger cultural impact. It's not a moral imperative or anything like that.

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