Perhaps we can say that this is entirely their fault for “not getting it.” But regardless of that, (and this is not me critiquing Goodfellas) *if* we believe that a film like it is meant to function as a critique, then I think, in terms of its cultural impact, it does not succeed
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It is possible to tell stories that are legitimately disruptive and challenging to patriarchy and to toxic masculinity. They don’t come around very often though. One way you can recognize them is they tend to make patriarchal men kind of uncomfortable.
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Carolyn Petit Retweeted BILL RYAN
Like, can’t we acknowledge that Goodfellas and films like it are not exactly doing wonders for our patriarchal culture without that being equated with calls for censorship?https://twitter.com/faceyouhate/status/1181664830819897345?s=21 …
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Scarface is probably an even more blatant one. Yes, you can see it as a parable of how drugs and obsessive ambition destroy his life and everything he cares for, but then you just have all the fanbros shouting "Haha! Say hello to my leetle friend! The world is yours! Awesome!"
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And of course the game even has him killing all his enemies at the film's end, and going on to basically become the Badass King of All Crime.
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The problem, see, is that people are fundamentally misunderstanding these movies. For example, you say that at the end of SCARFACE, Tony Montana kills all his enemies and goes "on to basically become the Badass King of All Crime." Here's how SCARFACE actually ends.pic.twitter.com/BJdlShWnj5
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Oh, I agree. I just think it's a reality that people will misunderstand these films, will be far more moved by images of excitement and glorification during a film than any consequences characters may ultimately face as a result of their actions.
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And so *if* a film wants to function as a critique in terms of its cultural impact (which it's under no moral obligation to do), then the filmmakers need to understand and account for this about humans and how we collectively respond to images and narratives.
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By not inadvertently glorifying the behaviors they actively intend to critique. But that's hypothetical. Scorsese makes movies because he wants to tell certain kinds stories, not because he wants to actively critique or actively glorify certain kinds of masculinity.
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I'm just trying to say that conversations around this get messy because some folks talk about what actually happens in a movie and some folks talk about the ideological impact those films have and they're two separate convos but people sometimes think they're the same one.
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Replying to @carolynmichelle @faceyouhate
This thread is demonstrating that pretty well.
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Well I can tell you, I was 15 when I saw GOODFELLAS in the theater, and I didn't walk out thinking "Oh boy that's the life for me."
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