However, I think we’ve all known patriarchal assholes who love that movie, & others like it, and who don’t in any way feel challenged or threatened by what those films say about masculinity. If anything, those men on some level seek to emulate the behavior depicted in those films
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I think that's an extreme reduction of what Scorsese does. Do you really not see GOODFELLAS as a critique of those characters?
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I absolutely do. As an individual. Do I think it worked that way in terms of its cultural impact, that by and large patriarchal men left the film feeling a little uncomfortable, a little disrupted, a little challenged in their worldview? No. I sure don't.
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I'm just trying to say that conversations around this get messy because some folks talk about what actually happens in a movie and some folks talk about the ideological impact those films have and they're two separate convos but people sometimes think they're the same one.
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This thread is demonstrating that pretty well.
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