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    Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

    Horrifying new 5th Circuit decision: Police officers tased Gabriel Eduardo Olivas while he was suicidal and soaked in gasoline. This set him on fire, burning him to death and burning down his house. The court held the officers' actions were lawful. /1 https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/unpub/20/20-10055.0.pdf …

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      2. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        This began when Mr. Olivas' son called 911, reporting that his father was threatening to kill himself and burn down the house. Five police officers responded. /2pic.twitter.com/TRqTIRuwm6

        On July 10, 2017, Gabriel Anthony Olivas called 911 and reported that his father was threatening to kill himself and burn down their house. Cor-poral Ray, Sergeant Jefferson, and Officers Scott, Elliott, and Guadarrama of the Arlington Police Department responded. Officer Guadarrama was first on the scene, and he began preparations while awaiting backup. Sergeant Jef-ferson and Officer Elliott were next to arrive, and the three of them pro-ceeded to enter the house.
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      3. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        Note: In most cities, police—not mental health providers or even paramedics—are the first responders for mental health crises. We shouldn't have to expect the patient to have to communicate with, work with, and navigate help from law enforcement, especially armed officers. /2

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      4. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        But this kind of law enforcement response is the default in America, even though the presence of armed officers can rapidly escalate crises, and such officers generally lack the comprehensive training and skills needed to provide the safest, most appropriate responses. /3

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      5. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        So, what did the armed officers do at Mr. Olivas' house? They smelled gasoline, and Mr. Olivas' wife directed him to the bedroom where Mr. Olivas was leaning against the wall holding a gas can. One officer warned his colleagues: "If we tase him, he is going to light on fire." /4pic.twitter.com/DFa5qWJLXj

        Upon entering, Officer Guadarrama detected the odor of gasoline. A woman directed the officers to a corner bedroom on the east side of the house. There they found Gabriel Eduardo Olivas (“Olivas”) leaning against a wall and holding a red gas can. After turning his flashlight on Olivas, Officer Elliott allegedly shouted to Sergeant Jefferson and Officer Guadarrama, “If we tase him, he is going to light on fire.”
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      6. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        At this point, it's not clear that the officers attempted to speak to Mr. Olivas—even though the 911 call was about his suicidal intentions. Instead, their next action appears to have been to shine a flashlight in his face and immediately pepper-spray him. /5pic.twitter.com/W7ydSpQxNn

        we tase him, he is going to light on fire.” Elliott then discharged OC spray in Olivas’s face, temporarily blinding him. It was at about this point—whether before or after being sprayed is not entirely clear from the record—that Oli-vas doused himself in gasoline. Guadarrama and Elliott, at least, and maybe Jefferson as well, noticed that Olivas was holding some object that appeared as though it might be a lighter. Guadarrama, followed in short succession by
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      7. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        At some point before or after being pepper-sprayed (the record is not clear), Mr. Olivas doused himself in gasoline from the can he was holding. The court's decision does not make clear whether this was intentional or if the can slipped when he was blinded by the spray. /6

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      8. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        Upon seeing a lighter in Mr. Olivas' hand, Officer Guadarrama, followed shortly by Officer Jefferson, fired his taser at Mr. Olivas. Mind you, this was shortly after Officer Elliott had warned the two of them that this would set Mr. Olivas on fire. /7pic.twitter.com/5kF4KRxPcS

        Olivas’s face, temporarily blinding him. It was at about this point—whether before or after being sprayed is not entirely clear from the record—that Oli-vas doused himself in gasoline. Guadarrama and Elliott, at least, and maybe Jefferson as well, noticed that Olivas was holding some object that appeared as though it might be a lighter. Guadarrama, followed in short succession by Jefferson, fired his taser at the gasoline-soaked man, causing him to burst into flames.
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      9. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        As Officer Elliott predicted, the electrical charge from the taser set the gasoline-soaked Mr. Olivas on fire. The fire spread throughout the house, burning it to the ground as the officers evacuated Mr. Olivas' wife and two children. /8pic.twitter.com/S56mkWdsmf

        Corporal Ray and Officer Scott arrived at the scene at about this time. When they entered the house, they found Olivas engulfed in flames. The fire spread from Olivas to the walls of the bedroom, and the house eventually burned to the ground. The officers at the scene were able to evacuate the family members who had remained in the house, but Olivas was badly burned and later died from his injuries.
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      10. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        The court's decision focuses on the two officers' decisions to tase Mr. Olivas, because that caused his death. But before we talk about that, it's important to note what was omitted from the decision: /9

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      11. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        Shining bright lights and pepper-spraying a person without trying to talk them down is NOT an appropriate suicide prevention strategy. How might this have played out if, instead of cops, 911 had been able to dispatch a team of mental health providers? /10

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      12. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        We will never know, because Mr. Olivas got Officers Guadarrama and Jefferson instead—and all that's left to determine is whether they are liable for their decisions that killed him and burned down his family's house. /11

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      13. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        The court considered their decision to tase Mr. Olivas under the Fourth Amendment's Graham standard, an elastic standard that too often gives the benefit of the doubt to officers. /12

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      14. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        In its analysis, the court found that because setting himself on fire was felony arson, and because setting himself on fire would put everyone in the house at risk, there were strong factors in favor of using significant force against Mr. Olivas. /13pic.twitter.com/goRuZ7NTyJ

        Having set forth this factual background, we now consider the reason-ableness of the force that was employed. Graham sets forth certain specific factors to be considered in the Fourth Amendment reasonableness inquiry: “the severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others, and whether he is actively resist-ing arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight.” Graham, 490 U.S. at 396. Here, the severity of the threatened crime, i.e., felony arson, was considera-ble. See Tex. Penal Code § 28.02. Olivas posed a substantial and imme-diate risk of death or serious bodily injury to himself and everyone in the house. He was covered in gasoline. He had been threatening to kill himself and burn down the house. He appeared to be holding a lighter. At that point, there were at least six other people in the house, all of whom were in danger.
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      15. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        And, notwithstanding the officers' apparent failure to take ANY de-escalation steps, the court concluded that the officers really didn't have any other option available besides tasing Mr. Olivas. /14pic.twitter.com/L036iQ2Y4V

        The fact that Olivas appeared to have the capability of setting himself on fire in an instant and, indeed, was threatening to do so, meant that the officers had no apparent options to avoid calamity. If, reviewing the facts in hindsight, it is still not apparent what might have been done differently to achieve a better outcome under these circumstances, then, certainly, we, who are separated from the moment by more than three years, cannot conclude that Guadar-rama or Jefferson, in the exigencies of the moment, acted unreasonably.
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      16. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        For Officer Guadarrama (who fired first), the court found that preventing Mr. Olivas from setting *himself* on fire was a reasonable justification for tasing him—even though the taser set Mr. Olivas on fire, as Officer Elliott had warned. /15pic.twitter.com/llm21296dl

        Given that Guadarrama fired first, the most readily apparent justification for his use of his taser was to prevent Olivas from lighting himself on fire.
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      17. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        For Officer Jefferson (who fired second), the court found that since Mr. Olivas was "already engulfed in flames" from the first tasing, there wasn't any harm in tasing him again, in order to immobilize him as he burned alive. /16pic.twitter.com/7oaxyyWxy0

        Jef-ferson fired second, and while at one point he claimed to have fired instinc-tively, Plaintiffs allege that he did so intentionally. Accepting Plaintiffs’ alle-gation as true, Jefferson still had good reason to try to immobilize Olivas, namely, to prevent him from spreading fire around the house. Moreover, at that point there was no risk that using a taser might ignite a fire since Olivas was already engulfed in flames.
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      18. Carl Takei‏ @carltakei 18 lut

        It's hard to overstate the perversity of this decision, which explicitly cites the risks that Mr. Olivas would set himself on fire in order to justify two police officers setting Mr. Olivas on fire themselves. /17pic.twitter.com/FGMOkClYq6

        ...given the horrendous scene that the of-ficers were facing, involving the immediate potential for the destruction of lives and property, the force used—firing tasers—was not unreasonable...
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