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Dr Caitlin Green
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Dr Caitlin Green

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History, archaeology, place-names & early lit. Main research on post-Roman Britain & Anglo-Saxon England; also long-distance trade, migration & contact.

Cornwall/Lincolnshire
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    1. Billare‏ @Billare 8 Aug 2017

      It is plausible that there were such families in the Roman Empire. They were extremely improbable, & certainly not typical.

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    2. Philip Owen  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 @EFTA4UK‏ @PCOwen_a 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @Billare

      There was a multi generational family of African fishmongers in York (I think) @caitlinrgreen has the reference.

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      Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
      Replying to @PCOwen_a @Billare

      Dr Caitlin Green Retweeted Dr Caitlin Green

      Happy to cite evidence, though not sure about fishmongers! This paper on 2 cemeteries from Roman York is v useful:https://twitter.com/caitlinrgreen/status/744286383771127808 …

      Dr Caitlin Green added,

      Dr Caitlin Green @caitlinrgreen
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen
      Interesting paper on 2 cemeteries from Roman York suggesting considerable diversity then: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21104/abstract … pic.twitter.com/Qd3QpZXHKZ
      11:24 AM - 9 Aug 2017
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        2. Billare‏ @Billare 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a

          I read your blog posts on N. Africans in England when you first penned them & appreciated the remarkable interconnectedness of the Empire..

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        3. Billare‏ @Billare 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Billare @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a

          so I am most intrigued that apparently you have a source that avoids the willful "North African" / ssA confusion, w/o using ancient DNA.

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        4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Billare @PCOwen_a

          If I may, I think any perceived confusion is largely unintentional. The papers I cited are discussing ppl of 'Sub-Saharan' ancestry, but >

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        5. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Billare @PCOwen_a

          > they are also referencing the most likely route of arrival (via North Africa) & using fordisc &c categories which term the 'Sub-Saharan' >

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        6. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Billare @PCOwen_a

          > reference populations 'African' (with a separate 'Egyptian' reference population). It's clear reading the papers, but perhaps not the >

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        7. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Billare @PCOwen_a

          > abstracts? In any case, clear do have evidence for ppl of 'Sub-Saharan' ancestry now from London, York, Leicester etc. Hope that helps :)

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        2. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a @Billare

          > The study concluded that is likely that 11–12% of study sample were of 'African' ('Sub-Saharan') descent, w/ more being potentially so. >

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        3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a @Billare

          > Eg. at high status 'The Railway' cem, fordisc analysis indicted c.32% had 'African' ('Sub-Saharan') affinities & 15% in 'Egyptian' range >

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        4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a @Billare

          Dr Caitlin Green Retweeted Dr Caitlin Green

          > Similar research recently published from Roman London too: https://twitter.com/caitlinrgreen/status/781944932550512642 … Interestingly, ancestry determinations from London >

          Dr Caitlin Green added,

          Dr Caitlin Green @caitlinrgreen
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen
          Multiple ppl w/ African ancestry and/or isotope results indicative of an origin in N.Africa, buried at Roman London: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305440316301030 …
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        5. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a @Billare

          > have been confirmed by ancient DNA analysis, seehttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/britannia/article/written-in-bone-new-discoveries-about-the-lives-and-burials-of-four-roman-londoners/F464D9E93FCE96341DDD7774C4C8CA10 …

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        6. Billare‏ @Billare 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a

          First, I commend you: You have evidence & you brought it in full. Still, this doesn't quite live up to my expectations of an aDNA paper..

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        7. Billare‏ @Billare 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Billare @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a

          it simply states the ancestry of the individual, w/o the bare support of a mitochondrial marker.

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        8. Billare‏ @Billare 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Billare @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a

          But this really quite astounding to me. What's the proposed theory on the (significant) admixing of sub-Saharan Africans w/o good transport?

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        9. Billare‏ @Billare 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @Billare @caitlinrgreen @PCOwen_a

          Billare Retweeted Billare

          Not your expertise, I guess. But this peturbs my tidy box of "what I think I know" .https://twitter.com/Billare/status/894778068195315712 …

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          Replying to @softgrasswalker @nntaleb
          We need to be careful about not confusing the demographics of the present day w/that of the ancient world.
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        2. Philip Owen  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 @EFTA4UK‏ @PCOwen_a 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Billare

          Thanks. Someone, somewhere wrote about SSA's and a lot of fish.

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        3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @PCOwen_a @Billare

          I'll have a ponder :)

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        1. Philip Owen  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 @EFTA4UK‏ @PCOwen_a 10 Aug 2017
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Billare

          As York, University apart and not so much at that, is not particularly diverse now, Roman York could have been MORE diverse! 🤓

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