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Dr Caitlin Green

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History, archaeology, place-names & early lit. Main research on post-Roman Britain & Anglo-Saxon England; also long-distance trade, migration & contact.

Cornwall/Lincolnshire
caitlingreen.org
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    Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017

    9thC Danes depicted as Muslims/Saracens & attacking St Edmund, see http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/175330709X449116 … (http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=harley_ms_2278_f061r …)pic.twitter.com/RcsUrYrMUU

    St Edmund being shot with arrows against a tree by Danes wearing traditional Saracen garb, as envisaged in the 15th century.
    4:30 AM - 22 Jul 2017
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      2. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        Another article on the medieval notion that the pre-Conquest English & Vikings were Muslims/Saracens: http://digitalcommons.brockport.edu/jlo/vol2/iss1/2/ … (pic=f.47r)pic.twitter.com/L7eQRcKAbi

        At the court of the Viking king, with the Danish ruler and his men depicted as Saracens; 15th century.
        4 replies 35 retweets 68 likes
      3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        9thC Viking warriors depicted as Muslims, again in the 15thC BL MS Harley 2278, f.98v: http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=harley_ms_2278_f098v …pic.twitter.com/7o2yWbJtdF

        Vikings dressed in medieval armour and depicted as Saracens disembark from a ship.
        2 replies 26 retweets 52 likes
      4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        Of course, worth noting that there is some potential evidence for Viking converts to Islam: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wuN-AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA543&pg=PA543#v=onepage&q&f=true …pic.twitter.com/AQKReA2Nuc

        5 replies 55 retweets 88 likes
      5. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        A L9thC Islamic incense burner found in Sweden; currently in Länsmuseet Gävleborg: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wuN-AgAAQBAJ&lpg=PA547&pg=PA547#v=onepage&q&f=false …pic.twitter.com/awh8jhHGyu

        Text: "A car bronze object with openwork plant ornamentation, interpreted as a censer, was found together with a fragment of an oil lamp and three glow tongs at Abyn, Hamrange, Gastrikland, Sweden. The censer probably comes from the province of Khorasan in Iran, and should be dated to the late ninth century...."
        8 replies 35 retweets 76 likes
      6. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        Also interesting is claim that some of Vikings who attacked Seville in 844 stayed+converted: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Ij8jCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA82#v=onepage&q&f=false …pic.twitter.com/z2i36XKQF9

        Text: "... Some 400 Vikings were taken captive and most we're handed, although a few survivors converted to Islam and remained near Seville, where it is said in later years they made a living swelling cheese..."
        6 replies 51 retweets 149 likes
      7. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 5 Aug 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        Dr Caitlin Green Retweeted Dr Caitlin Green

        For interest, an account of a mid-9thC Viking raid on Nakur, Morocco, that saw them occupy the city for 8 days:https://twitter.com/caitlinrgreen/status/743576768007766016 …

        Dr Caitlin Green added,

        Dr Caitlin Green @caitlinrgreen
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen
        Vikings in Morocco & Africans in 9th-11thC Ireland and England: http://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/09/a-great-host-of-captives.html … pic.twitter.com/9xPm4qgCA4
        1 reply 30 retweets 71 likes
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      2. George Rick‏ @GeorgeRick1 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        I love the fellows who are about to fire more arrows, which seems completely unnecessary. And it appears that they'll hit each other!

        2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @GeorgeRick1

        Yes, but guess they wanted to make really, really sure....!

        0 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
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      2. Adriana Dvorska‏ @AdrianaDvorska 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        The Danes were simply portrayed as the contemporary 15th c. enemies which were the Ottomans. Historical accuracy wasn't relevant back then

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 23 Jul 2017
        Replying to @AdrianaDvorska

        No, don't think this is case, or at least not fully. Seems to have been notion that pre-Conquest English+Danes were Muslims, see articles :)

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. JerryD7556‏ @jerryd7556 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen @BLMedieval

        Don't you mean Saint Sebastian?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @jerryd7556 @BLMedieval

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr … :)

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. jean harrington‏ @xeroscape 22 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen @BLMedieval

        I guess the Danes-dressed-as-Muslims were really Danes? I will have to see why Chaucer felt pressure to appear orientalist? or not really?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 23 Jul 2017
        Replying to @xeroscape @BLMedieval

        It's interesting; as articles referenced indicate, there does seem to have been an idea that Saxons+Danes were actually Muslim, however...

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Jeremy S‏ @caeliambulator 15 Oct 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        What do you make of this? https://nyti.ms/2kNB2rs 

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 15 Oct 2017
        Replying to @caeliambulator

        V interesting, but exact import needs consideration as does question of inscription (as with the ring published a year or so back, iirc) :)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Jeremy S‏ @caeliambulator 15 Oct 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        That was exactly my thought--still a neat find!

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Dr Ian Friel‏ @DrIanFriel 23 Jul 2017
        Replying to @caitlinrgreen

        I found a 1290s English ref to a ship from Riga in Latvia - its home port was described as 'near the land of the Saracens'

        1 reply 5 retweets 25 likes
      3. Geoffrey Mamdani ⁠ ⁠‏ @GMamdani 23 Jul 2017
        Replying to @DrIanFriel @caitlinrgreen

        Could "Saracens" be Mongols in that context?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Aron Kecskes‏ @AronKecskes 23 Jul 2017
        Replying to @GMamdani @DrIanFriel @caitlinrgreen

        IIRC the Teutonic Order did a lot to equate pagan Balts with Saracens, importing terminology from the holy land

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. Dr Ian Friel‏ @DrIanFriel 23 Jul 2017
        Replying to @AronKecskes @GMamdani @caitlinrgreen

        Interesting, thanks.The ref crops up in an inventory of arrested ships & their gear in NE England: no obvious reason to mentions Saracens!

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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