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Dr Caitlin Green
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Dr Caitlin Green

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History, archaeology, place-names & early lit. Main research on post-Roman Britain & Anglo-Saxon England; also long-distance trade, migration & contact.

Cornwall/Lincolnshire
caitlingreen.org
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    1. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015

      For anyone still interested in the new DNA study, worth noting that despite issues, are a couple of interesting things to note. Perhaps >

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    2. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen

      > most important effects are on these papers by Härke & the theory expounded there: https://www.academia.edu/1178275/Anglo-Saxon_immigration_and_ethnogenesis._Medieval_Archaeology_55_2011._1-28 … & https://www.academia.edu/468159/Evidence_for_an_apartheid-like_social_structure_in_early_Anglo-Saxon_England._Proceedings_of_the_Royal_Society_B_273_July_2006_2651-2657 …. >

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    3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen

      > First, data in new study suggests the Anglo-Saxons *didn't intermarry with the Britons until the 9thC*! (p.313+supplementary material) >

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    4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen

      > In other words, this new data seems to support the Härke/Woolf model of an "apartheid-like social structure" in pre-Viking England. >

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    5. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen

      Second, data halves size of supposed post-Roman 'Germanic' contribution to modern DNA, so significantly reduces the proportion that AS >

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    6. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen

      > immigrants needed to provide in 5/6thC compared to what Härke assumed, so AS immigrants perhaps numbered only 5% or less of total popn in>

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    7. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen

      > the 5/6thC in S/Central England, assuming 'apartheid-like' system operated to 9thC, as new study implies. So, in sum, if you were >

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      Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015

      > inclined to agree w/ Härke/Woolf, then new study offers support. It's not making massive changes, but is adding weight to prev studies.

      5:31 AM - 19 Mar 2015
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        2. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          (Which is not to say doesn't still have signif issues & relies on assumptions etc, as said before, but above = the more positive take, lol!)

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        3. Dr Francis Young‏ @DrFrancisYoung 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen Would be v interesting to triangulate with placename evidence of Britons in England, eg Walpole/Walcot in Norfolk/Suffolk

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        2. Dubhthach Daoltheanga‏ @Daoltheanga 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen You might be interested in Hinxton ancient DNA, 2 samples from Iron age (male) and three from Anglo-Saxon period (female)

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        3. Dubhthach Daoltheanga‏ @Daoltheanga 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @Daoltheanga

          @caitlinrgreen "Insights into British and European population history from ancient DNA sequencing of Iron Age ..." http://www.ashg.org/2014meeting/abstracts/fulltext/f140122098.htm …

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        4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @Daoltheanga

          @dubhthach Fabulous, thank you! Am afraid I don't see the issue being resolved until we have done a *lot* of (expensive) work like this :/

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Dubhthach Daoltheanga‏ @Daoltheanga 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen key thing is big increase in amount of Ancient DNA, paper just published on first Yamnaya genomes from Russian bronze age

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        6. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @Daoltheanga

          @dubhthach Ancient DNA is def what's needed, but even at reduced prices, is affordable to do on the v large scale that would be needed?!

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        7. Dubhthach Daoltheanga‏ @Daoltheanga 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen paper for example published on modern Europeans using ancient DNA from paeloithic, mesolithic and neolithic (model etc.)

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Dubhthach Daoltheanga‏ @Daoltheanga 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @Daoltheanga

          @caitlinrgreen "Ancient human genomes suggest three ancestral populations for present-day Europeans" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25230663 

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        9. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @Daoltheanga

          @dubhthach fascinating abstract, thank you! :)

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        2. Horsa‏ @HorseyRhymes 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen From what you have said some of it is challenging some existing info we have & some of it is confirming other info we have.

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        3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @HorseyRhymes

          @EquineAnn I'd say so---it's refining some things, but it certainly isn't as new or definitive as some are implying! Plus has some issues :/

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        4. Horsa‏ @HorseyRhymes 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen People can lie just as well on paper. Different people interpret the same words differently. Things can be put ambiguously.

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        5. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @HorseyRhymes

          @EquineAnn The big issue is, interpreting data collected 1500 yrs after an event requires models, and conclusions vary depending on models!

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        6. Horsa‏ @HorseyRhymes 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen Definitely & quality & how reliable the test really is.

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        1. Horsa‏ @HorseyRhymes 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen I took into account the other information you supplied too.

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        1. Dubhthach Daoltheanga‏ @Daoltheanga 19 Mar 2015
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen

          @caitlinrgreen First full genome from ancient DNA recovered in Britain, due for publishing soon supposedly

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