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Dr Caitlin Green
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Dr Caitlin Green

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History, archaeology, place-names & early lit. Main research on post-Roman Britain & Anglo-Saxon England; also long-distance trade, migration & contact.

Cornwall/Lincolnshire
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    1. Dr Sarah Taber‏ @SarahTaber_bww Aug 19

      Dr Sarah Taber Retweeted AndyM

      oh man the ancient world had SO MUCH more long-distance trade than the West is prepared to to think about we forget that the Dark Ages were exactly that. Europe's end of the global trade networks shut down, & to this day we still think of that shut-down state as "normal."https://twitter.com/IOnceAteALeaf/status/1031209548147843072 …

      Dr Sarah Taber added,

      AndyM @IOnceAteALeaf
      Replying to @SarahTaber_bww
      I'm kind of surprised to learn that opium was cultivated in 1200 BCE Greece. Always thought it was native to Asia and eventually traded with the Romans. Guess I'll just never know how connected that world was.
      61 replies 545 retweets 1,593 likes
    2. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 20
      Replying to @SarahTaber_bww

      I have to admit to be *extremely* sceptical (like most 'early medievalists', I think) of the "Dark Ages", and sceptical too of any idea that long-distance trade networks in Europe shut down completely after, say, the 5thC... :-/

      4 replies 4 retweets 72 likes
    3. Techie no longer on island time :(‏ @Infoseepage Aug 20
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen @SarahTaber_bww

      Completely, no. What were the dark ages if not a time when Europe contracted into hundreds of pocket kingdoms, greatly restricting flows of people, ideas and material? Pretty much all the things you cite are highly portable status objects of great value (jewelry, spices, etc.)

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    4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 20
      Replying to @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

      Well, the Dark Ages didn't really exist, and the term is now widely avoided ;) Tbh, the arch evidence is, imho, pretty impressive and goes well beyond a handful portable objects, plus is backed up by the textual evidence for continued (or even intensified) links >

      9 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    5. Dr Sarah Taber‏ @SarahTaber_bww Aug 20
      Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage

      (2/) That said. From an agricultural trade POV, drawing a line btwn pre- & post-Roman trade patterns is still very useful. Prior, there was routine, massive long-distance bulk trade of food. Afterwards, trade was much more restricted to elite prestige goods.

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    6. Techie no longer on island time :(‏ @Infoseepage Aug 20
      Replying to @SarahTaber_bww @caitlinrgreen

      This, exactly. Consider that maybe half a billion (with a b) pounds of grain were imported to Rome every year from North Africa, Sicily, Egypt, etc. 3000 pounds of pepper in Gaul is just so minuscule next to that! The smallest Roman merchant vessels carried 70+ tons!

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      Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
      Replying to @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

      But we were talking, I thought, about cross-continent trading and whether that collapsed; what you're talking about was all within the Roman Empire, which is a separate discussion... On the 2nd point, 3000 lbs of one spice, to one region of Europe, may not seem much, perhaps, >

      2:41 AM - 21 Aug 2018
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        2. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

          > but I still think it very significant (note, the largest classical era find is 75kg) in showing continued operation of significant trading networks linking Europe to Indo-Pacific region, and that these didn't collapse, which was the claim I was voicing scepticism towards :) >

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        3. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

          > In my view, evidence we have is, despite its admitted patchiness etc, enough to show that long-distance trade networks did indeed continue and that new ones formed; in fact, more arch & documentary records for 6th-8thC links to China, for example, than earlier, I'd suggest…!

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

          > Moreover, the evidence for Central Asian trade links to northern and eastern Europe really can't be ignored: one estimate is that perhaps as many as 100 million or more silver dirhams were imported into these regions in return for slaves, furs etc, which is astonishing >pic.twitter.com/PLL0Rymo63

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        5. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

          Some back of an envelope calculations in https://www.academia.edu/1764468/Dirhams_for_slaves._Investigating_the_Slavic_slave_trade_in_the_tenth_century … for the scale of 10thC slave trade to, primarily, Samanid Empire in Afghanistan, Uzbekistan etc; if even remotely right then they imply trade from N/E Europe involving potentially hundreds of thousands of slaves...pic.twitter.com/ghXr1fdi0y

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        6. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

          > And if we look to later medieval period, with its better surviving documentation, then we find plenty of evidence for significant scales of cross-continent/Indo-Pacific trade e.g. 15thC wedding feast of Hedwig Jagiellon to son of the Duke of Bavaria involved over 1,000 lbs >

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        7. Dr Caitlin Green‏ @caitlinrgreen Aug 21
          Replying to @caitlinrgreen @Infoseepage @SarahTaber_bww

          > of spices, incl 40kg of nutmeg and nearly 50kg of cloves... So, in sum, I would absolutely maintain my position that we just need to be careful about assuming complete collapses in cross-continental trade and links after the 5thC :)

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