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Writing the fuck out of shit since 1992. Screenwriting agent: Nick Marston. Literary agent: Georgia Garrett. Insta: mscaitlinmoran

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    Caitlin Moran‏Verified account @caitlinmoran Oct 15

    Caitlin Moran Retweeted Craig Symons

    "Surviving" is the key word here. The biggest purpose behind forming the EU - begun in earnest after WW2 - was to stop Europeans constantly starting wars and killing each other, as we did, very regularly, in the previous thousand years.https://twitter.com/Pocimop/status/1051781319338971137 …

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    Craig Symons @Pocimop
    Replying to @caitlinmoran @rhipratchett
    Makes you wonder how we survived for a 1000 years without the EU and wonder even more how the rest of the world gets by without being a member
    3:34 AM - 15 Oct 2018
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      1. David John Powell‏ @djpmelodeon Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Trust me matey, peace in EU Europe for 70 years is unprecedented. We'll only solve global problems (Pollution, resource depletion, global warming et al through global agreement. Depressing nationalism will see us all off this planet!!

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      1. mickvernon‏ @mickymoovernon Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Caitlin, it's Nato that kept the peace in Europe since WWII. The EU had no strategy for Bosnia, Kosovo, and the breakup of Yugoslavia. Its strategy for Ukraine exacerbated the problem. Its Eurozone creates unemployment that FOM converts to seething nationalism. Some peace!

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      1. Steve Atkins‏ @steveatkins Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Also, for example, we "survived" without kettles, therefore kettles are bad? The premise of his argument makes no sense.

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      1. Matt  🥩 🍔 🍰‏ @p1anetmatt Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        I wish our aspirations ran a little higher than "survive". What's wrong with thriving?

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      2. Martin Dismore‏ @dismorem Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Sorry! You are wrong. The biggest purpose of the origins of the EU was to protect German Steel and French Farmers. NATO is the organisation that has kept the peace in Europe. @NATO

        3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Liberal Patriot‏ @LiberPatriot Oct 15
        Replying to @dismorem @caitlinmoran @NATO

        sounds like you're conflating with the ESEC somewhat, but as the UK was never a party to that nor the Treaty of Rome, it's a kind of disingenuous reading that suits the current Brexit climate than it says of the founding of the EU.

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      4. Rob Telford‏ @robtelford Oct 15
        Replying to @LiberPatriot @dismorem and

        It's a perverse interpretation of the founding of the ECSC The 1950 Schuman Declaration which led to the founding of the ECSC explicitly aimed to ensure that 'war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible'https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day/schuman-declaration_en …

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      5. Rob Telford‏ @robtelford Oct 15
        Replying to @robtelford @LiberPatriot and

        Schuman was French Foreign minister, so what interest he had in protecting German steel producers over those in France is beyond me

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      6. Liberal Patriot‏ @LiberPatriot Oct 15
        Replying to @robtelford @dismorem and

        the problem is a lot of people also think all of this was a conspiracy to keep the UK economy down, rather than the UK not being much of a consideration in the early years anyhow.

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      7. Liberal Patriot‏ @LiberPatriot Oct 15
        Replying to @LiberPatriot @robtelford and

        again the fictional idea of plots against the British in the formative years of the EU.... they came later! (De Gaulle and the EEC)

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      1. Amanda Jennings‏ @MandaJJennings Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        The arrogance of the 21st century. Oh, WE would never go to war with Europe. WE would never make the same mistakes. *massive fucking eye roll*

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      1. Jim Jamese‏ @kemptownbod Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Yes indeed. And on the whole, I'd prefer to do a bit better than just 'survive', if possible.

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      2. Peter Golds‏ @going4golds Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran @nlygo

        Jean Monnet and the almost unknown but influential Sir Arthur Salter were working on the project well before WW 2.

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      3. Norman Goldner‏ @nlygo Oct 15
        Replying to @going4golds @caitlinmoran

        indeed. Monnet and Salter both highly prescient in realising that a united Europe would prevent further European wars.

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      2. Paul Hutton‏ @stroyd_hutton Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Wasn’t its earliest form the Coal and Steel Commission and more to do with closer economic cooperation, with the associated benefit of being less likely to start another conflict. That economic cooperation is unpicked leading to greater isolationism and increased global tension.

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      3. Paul Hutton‏ @stroyd_hutton Oct 15
        Replying to @stroyd_hutton @caitlinmoran

        Sorry, Community not Commission

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      4. (Almost Dr) LemonBella‏ @LemonBella Oct 15
        Replying to @stroyd_hutton @caitlinmoran

        ECSC was precisely and explicitly designed to tie the war-making industries of France and Germany together so that neither could militarise without the other. It was an economic means but it was an explict political purpose.

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      1. Glyn Williams‏ @Carniphage Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Tempted to explain to Craig what a Nash equilibrium is. But I suspect the effort would be wasted.

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      1. Matthew Wheeler‏ @mewheeler73 Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        Think we struggled to survive black death and the great fire of London, but apart from that, no problem.

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      1. MaxyDurand‏ @maxy_durand Oct 15
        Replying to @caitlinmoran

        No that was not it's purpose and it was not begun in earnest after the war

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