Trust me matey, peace in EU Europe for 70 years is unprecedented. We'll only solve global problems (Pollution, resource depletion, global warming et al through global agreement. Depressing nationalism will see us all off this planet!!
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Caitlin, it's Nato that kept the peace in Europe since WWII. The EU had no strategy for Bosnia, Kosovo, and the breakup of Yugoslavia. Its strategy for Ukraine exacerbated the problem. Its Eurozone creates unemployment that FOM converts to seething nationalism. Some peace!
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Also, for example, we "survived" without kettles, therefore kettles are bad? The premise of his argument makes no sense.
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I wish our aspirations ran a little higher than "survive". What's wrong with thriving?
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Sorry! You are wrong. The biggest purpose of the origins of the EU was to protect German Steel and French Farmers. NATO is the organisation that has kept the peace in Europe.
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sounds like you're conflating with the ESEC somewhat, but as the UK was never a party to that nor the Treaty of Rome, it's a kind of disingenuous reading that suits the current Brexit climate than it says of the founding of the EU.
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It's a perverse interpretation of the founding of the ECSC The 1950 Schuman Declaration which led to the founding of the ECSC explicitly aimed to ensure that 'war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible'https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day/schuman-declaration_en …
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Schuman was French Foreign minister, so what interest he had in protecting German steel producers over those in France is beyond me
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the problem is a lot of people also think all of this was a conspiracy to keep the UK economy down, rather than the UK not being much of a consideration in the early years anyhow.
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again the fictional idea of plots against the British in the formative years of the EU.... they came later! (De Gaulle and the EEC)
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The arrogance of the 21st century. Oh, WE would never go to war with Europe. WE would never make the same mistakes. *massive fucking eye roll*
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Yes indeed. And on the whole, I'd prefer to do a bit better than just 'survive', if possible.
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Jean Monnet and the almost unknown but influential Sir Arthur Salter were working on the project well before WW 2.
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indeed. Monnet and Salter both highly prescient in realising that a united Europe would prevent further European wars.
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Wasn’t its earliest form the Coal and Steel Commission and more to do with closer economic cooperation, with the associated benefit of being less likely to start another conflict. That economic cooperation is unpicked leading to greater isolationism and increased global tension.
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Sorry, Community not Commission
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ECSC was precisely and explicitly designed to tie the war-making industries of France and Germany together so that neither could militarise without the other. It was an economic means but it was an explict political purpose.
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Tempted to explain to Craig what a Nash equilibrium is. But I suspect the effort would be wasted.
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Think we struggled to survive black death and the great fire of London, but apart from that, no problem.
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No that was not it's purpose and it was not begun in earnest after the war
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