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    1. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Jul 11

      Kenneth Folk Retweeted Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️

      Whenever I hear progressives using the term "identity politics" with a straight face, I picture Steve Bannon & Stephen Miller high-fiving each other. "Identity politics" is a made-up thing,https://twitter.com/VincentHorn/status/1017196118722121729 …

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      Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️ @VincentHorn
      Are there any serious contemplatives out there writing about “identity politics” from a phenomenological lens? Seems like this could help shine some light on a complex & thorny issue.
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    2. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Jul 11

      an idea invented by far-right populists to rally a racist base & distract from real issues. As @mattyglesias writes, “People have identities, and people are mobilized politically around those identities. There is no other way to do politics than to do identity politics.”

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    3. Kenneth Folk‏ @KennethFolk Jul 11

      So while I can't answer @VincentHorn's question directly because I don't know, I can beg my dear friends not to accept or repeat reactionary talking points even when the intention is good-faith discussion. As the US spirals toward fascism, the stakes are high.

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      ~C4Chaos‏ @c4chaos Jul 11
      Replying to @KennethFolk @VincentHorn

      we can say the same thing about “social justice warriors” and “conspiracy theory”. terminologies created by propagandists to divide, manipulate, and misinform the public. whoever co-opts language and media controls the population 😎 #PoliticsIsNecessaryBullshit

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        2. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Jul 11
          Replying to @c4chaos @KennethFolk

          Fact: While at Harvard Divinit School for a gathering of the most progressive, activist millennial religious leaders in the country, they positively referred to themselves as social justice warriors on several occasions. This was in 2016.

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        3. ~C4Chaos‏ @c4chaos Jul 11
          Replying to @VincentHorn @KennethFolk

          labels, even when created for good purpose, can be coopted, misappropriated, and “weaponized” especially in politics. whoever controls the narrative wins. reminds me of this quote attributed to Karl Rove (he denies it). that’s why, in my view, #PoliticsIsNecessaryBullshit 😎pic.twitter.com/rhAtefRyx7

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        2. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Jul 11
          Replying to @c4chaos @KennethFolk

          So, I’m of the mind that one can take a stand for a particular meaning behind a phrase and even reown a term in a positive light, like SJW or identity politics.

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        3. Jason Snyder‏ @cognazor Jul 11
          Replying to @VincentHorn @c4chaos @KennethFolk

          We should all aspire to become social justice warriors...because there is a serious deficit of social justice in the world! It’s ironic that this phrase now has to be renowned in a positive light.

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        4. ~C4Chaos‏ @c4chaos Jul 11
          Replying to @cognazor @VincentHorn @KennethFolk

          google “social justice warrior” then look at the top hits. thats exactly my point. i know it is sad. but that’s just the fact.

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        5. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jul 12
          Replying to @c4chaos @cognazor and

          I'm against what the stereotypical SJW behavior. But the term itself is very vague. The police and military all see themselves as warriors who enforce social justice. Even if current SJWs take over, they'd just be the new police in 100 years, and youth will still say f the police

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        6. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jul 12
          Replying to @MimeticValue @c4chaos and

          Thus, what we see here is that SJWs perpetuate mimetic violence through a narrative of oppressed vs oppressor. The old oppressed becomes the new oppressor and nothing truly changes. The solution isn't engaging in oppression dialectics, but simply severing the root of envy.

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        7. Jason Snyder‏ @cognazor Jul 12
          Replying to @MimeticValue @c4chaos and

          Maybe. This kind of behavior online (in which you might be correct) is very different than actual reality on the ground that is fueling it: Lack of social justice and persistent poverty. This overshadows any university campus antics by several orders of magnitude.

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        8. Mimetïc Value‏ @MimeticValue Jul 12
          Replying to @cognazor @c4chaos and

          I know people on the ground are more nuanced and nicer, this lady who studied Social Justice insists on calling me her best friend. But they still seem to be trapped in a defensive, self-protective framework, which is a mirror image of the other side. So the conflict persists.

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        9. Vincent Horn  🙏 ❤️‏ @VincentHorn Jul 12
          Replying to @MimeticValue @cognazor and

          At some point some group will have to step up and be bigger than that. I think what Jason is saying is that it ought to be the group that is more resourced (which is us). I think that's true (initially) though at some point I suspect all parties will need to heal in mutuality.

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