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Technical Lead at @vmray, focused on macOS. Opinions are my cat's.

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    Felix‏ @c1truz_ Mar 30

    Ever wondered how the @zoom_us macOS installer does it’s job without you ever clicking install? Turns out they (ab)use preinstallation scripts, manually unpack the app using a bundled 7zip and install it to /Applications if the current user is in the admin group (no root needed).pic.twitter.com/qgQ1XdU11M

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      2. Felix‏ @c1truz_ Mar 30

        If the App is already installed but the current user is not admin, they use a helper tool called “zoomAutenticationTool” and the AuthorizationExecuteWithPrivileges API to spawn a password prompt identifying as “System” (!!) to gain root (including a typo).pic.twitter.com/gp9DVCoVCm

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      3. Felix‏ @c1truz_ Mar 30

        This is not strictly malicious but very shady and definitely leaves a bitter aftertaste. The application is installed without the user giving his final consent and a highly misleading prompt is used to gain root privileges. The same tricks that are being used by macOS malware.

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      4. Felix‏ @c1truz_ Mar 30

        Felix Retweeted Thomas Reed

        See also @thomasareedhttps://twitter.com/thomasareed/status/1244710295563632640 …

        Felix added,

        Thomas Reed @thomasareed
        Replying to @Agent_BGC @HardSoftnFloppy and 2 others
        Sure, there’s no doubt Zoom gives a good experience, on the surface. Under the hood, though, I had Zoom repeatedly float to the surface when teaching a workshop on how to identify suspicious behavior while doing malware hunting on macOS.
        13 replies 72 retweets 663 likes
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      5. Felix‏ @c1truz_ Apr 1

        I just published a more detailed blog post about this issue, giving some context and summarizing the security implicationshttps://www.vmray.com/cyber-security-blog/zoom-macos-installer-analysis-good-apps-behaving-badly/ …

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      6. Felix‏ @c1truz_ Apr 2

        Felix Retweeted Felix

        Zoom released an updated which fixed the issues I foundhttps://twitter.com/c1truz_/status/1245767226499764225 …

        Felix added,

        Felix @c1truz_
        Zoom just released an update for the macOS installer which completely removes the questionable "preinstall"-technique and the faked password prompt. I must say that I am impressed. That was a swift and comprehensive reaction. Good work, @zoom_us! pic.twitter.com/vau556TyAa
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      2. Cabel‏Verified account @cabel Mar 31
        Replying to @c1truz_ @steipete

        Cabel Retweeted Cabel

        Oh man we had the same thoughts today. You might appreciate this little detail too: https://twitter.com/cabel/status/1244788931427622912?s=21 …https://twitter.com/cabel/status/1244788931427622912 …

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        CabelVerified account @cabel
        One thing that freaks me out about Zoom is that there are no Retina images on first launch, but later they just kind of… appear. I do wonder if they're not there in the first place because of this "Reitna" typo pic.twitter.com/DpAID5aG3g
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      3. The Universe Knowing Itself‏ @fakecarlsagan Mar 31
        Replying to @cabel @c1truz_ @steipete

        From what I can tell, this insane packaging technique has been used for at least a year. I find it somewhat hilarious how many people discovered it at the same time I did.

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      2. Maxwell‏ @mxswd Mar 30
        Replying to @c1truz_ @patrickwardle @zoom_us

        that’s naughty. The install to /applications part isn’t very special though, non admin users can install to /applications right (or maybe just through MAS?)? (and then can’t delete the app)

        2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
      3. Felix‏ @c1truz_ Mar 30
        Replying to @mxswd @patrickwardle @zoom_us

        No, you will get an authentication prompt if you try to modify /Applications as non-admin. Not sure about MAS atm

        2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
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      2. Eric S. Yuan‏Verified account @ericsyuan Mar 31
        Replying to @c1truz_ @zoom_us

        Thank you for your feedback! We implemented to balance the number of clicks given the limitations of the standard technology. To join a meeting from a Mac is not easy, that is why this method is used by Zoom and others. Your point is well taken and we will continue to improve.

        34 replies 9 retweets 138 likes
      3.  👨‍💻 𝙱𝚕𝚊𝚔𝚎 𝚆𝚊𝚕𝚜𝚑  🐶‏ @b_t_walsh Mar 31
        Replying to @ericsyuan @c1truz_ @zoom_us

        honest question: why not just distribute through the Mac App Store? (same goes for the Windows equivalent) people are increasingly learning not to trust "non store based" installers, and that's a good thing

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