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    bunnie‏ @bunniestudios 25 Jan 2018
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    An add-on to my comments in http://www.zdnet.com/article/meltdown-and-spectre-response-hampered-by-exclusive-club-secrecy/ … - before piling on to class-action lawsuits vs. CPU makers, consider this: devs take no risk sharing software. If users could sue for code bugs, would you risk sharing code? Hostilities reduce transparency, where more is needed!pic.twitter.com/YrKGvqzBjS

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      1. bunnie‏ @bunniestudios 25 Jan 2018
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        The complaint at the panel was the disclosure process was a shitshow. I don't see how suing for money will make vendors go "Let's share more errata, so we can be sued more!" So: if you must have a pound of flesh, join/launch a class-action suit demanding documentation, not money.

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      2. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @bunniestudios

        The difference is that software can be fixed for free (and open source software typically doesn't cost money), while CPUs can't and do. There's a reason e.g. Europe requires a 2-year warranty on everything.

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      3. Hector Martin‏ @marcan42 25 Jan 2018
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        I think normal warranty rules should apply. That is, for CPUs purchased within a reasonable period, Intel should offer returns or exchanges with a partial refund or upgrade to a better model for the expected performance loss. They gambled on the speculation and lost.

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      2. Per Vognsen‏ @pervognsen 25 Jan 2018
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        Intel isn't giving anything away for free. It feels deeply wrong to me that people are now forced to go back to Intel and buy X% more CPUs from them to even run their existing workloads due to the resulting performance slowdowns.

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      3. Erin  ✨ 💽‏ @erincandescent 25 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @pervognsen @bunniestudios

        One could argue that people changed their workloads

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      1. Jeff Haluska‏ @jhaluska 25 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @bunniestudios

        I don't think we should sue them for flaws as they're billion transistor devices and it's improbable they'll ever be perfect. However, we should have legal recourse for intentionally misinforming the public about the flaws.

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      1. Tim‏ @tjoseph 25 Jan 2018
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        I think it's unfortunate, these exploits, but I'm not really as upset as I am with software devs. Hardware/Electrical engineers (in my opinion) do a much better job with design and reliability than software engineers.

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      1. Jeff Dickey‏ @jeff_dickey 26 Jan 2018
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        Hardware is engineering. Software is craftwork that every few decades starts talking about real engineering before running screaming away. Fix that, and whole classes of problems go away.

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