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machine learning, brain imaging, mental disorders, big data

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    1. Federico Adolfi‏ @fedeadolfi 28 May 2018
      Replying to @chrisdc77 @Sam_D_Parsons and

      Look forward to that blog post. I'd add a 3rd variety who spend plenty of time designing and conducting replications and control experiments to make sure they are not mining noise before attempting to publish. I'm not saying you can't fool yourself with this strategy, but still.

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    2. Chris Chambers‏Verified account @chrisdc77 28 May 2018
      Replying to @fedeadolfi @Sam_D_Parsons and

      Gah how dull. Where’s the flair in that.

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    3. Federico Adolfi‏ @fedeadolfi 28 May 2018
      Replying to @chrisdc77 @Sam_D_Parsons and

      I know, what a bunch of losers.

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    4. Jack Gallant‏ @gallantlab 28 May 2018
      Replying to @fedeadolfi @chrisdc77 and

      If you read my post it should be clear that I am NOT saying that what the field is doing now is fine. What I said is that standard practice is horrible, but that RR won't fix it. The first thing to do is to kill the idea that point-null hypothesis testing is sufficient.

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    5. Jack Gallant‏ @gallantlab 28 May 2018
      Replying to @gallantlab @fedeadolfi and

      RR seems to be primarily about reducing Type I error. But if you view PNHT as insufficient, merely a weak, poorly reasoned pretest of data quality, then it becomes obvious that the focus should be elsewhere. We need a revolution, not more paperwork.

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    6. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni 28 May 2018
      Replying to @gallantlab @fedeadolfi and

      I don't get this at all. RRs just make it so that papers are accepted based on question and methods, and not based on results and post-hoc storytelling. I'm surprised you're not in favor of that. they don't add much (if any) work, and they're completely orthogonal to Q of NHST

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    7. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni 28 May 2018
      Replying to @talyarkoni @gallantlab and

      if anything, it should be much *easier* to criticize studies for using NHST when an RR is first submitted for review, than to wait until after the authors are happily trumpeting their p < .001 result and can say "but look, it's strong!"

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    8. Jack Gallant‏ @gallantlab 28 May 2018
      Replying to @talyarkoni @fedeadolfi and

      The appropriate answer to "look my p < .001 is strong" is to explain the difference between significance and prediction out of set. RR could perversely give people cover to do what they shouldn't do to begin with (that is, to equate significance as effect size or prediction).

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    9. Tal Yarkoni‏ @talyarkoni 28 May 2018
      Replying to @gallantlab @fedeadolfi and

      but you can always do that after the fact either way (even for RR papers). the point is that under the RR model, at least some of the time, a reviewer like you would catch it *before* the paper is published!

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    10. Jack Gallant‏ @gallantlab 28 May 2018
      Replying to @talyarkoni @fedeadolfi and

      Again, my point is that we shouldn't even have to argue about this. If no one were allowed to publish direction hypotheses w/o the proper other stuff that is required to do real science (out of set quantitative predictions), this would be an irrelevant sideshow.

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      Thomas Yeo‏ @bttyeo 28 May 2018
      Replying to @gallantlab @talyarkoni and

      Replacing p values with out of sample prediction will just be shifting the problem from p-hacking to out-of-sample-hacking. My feeling is that many machine learning papers also do not replicate.

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        2. Jack Gallant‏ @gallantlab 28 May 2018
          Replying to @bttyeo @talyarkoni and

          Well I agree with that, because people will always try to game the system. But that is a better problem than we have now for multiple reasons (e.g. generalization advantages). This is precisely why contests are so popular in computer science. It minimizes cheating opportunities.

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        3. Chris Gorgolewski‏ @ChrisFiloG 28 May 2018
          Replying to @gallantlab @bttyeo and

          Competitions are great and we should have more of them, but imagine that you would be mandated to create a competition for every single paper you publish. So much more "paperwork"!

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