Women have justified concerns about male violence, misogyny, male privilege & male dominance of society (as do I) but trans women are not men & are not responsible for these issues - these are issues that affect them too. Time to focus on the real issues & leave trans women alone
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To be frank, I’m less concerned about changing rooms and toilets than I am about refuges and prisons. I don’t think policing gender at the bathroom door is good for anybody. But in spaces where women go in crisis, or can’t opt to leave, I have concerns
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And rightly so. If a lesbian is seeking refuge from domestic violence, simply denying refuge access to men won’t help. Prisons have failed to properly risk assess individuals with tragic consequences but the right question is “is this person a risk?” not “is this person a man?”
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I think that you have missed out the voice of many women who say that the presence of a male body can create panic and fear for traumatised women. It is not simply about ‘risk assessment’ - it must also be about mental health and fears resulting from traumatic life experiences.
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Risk assessment isn’t just about the subject. It’s about the impact of the subject on others. Of course the effect of an individual on others accessing services at the same time needs to be taken into account in that risk assessment.
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But no-one is asking the women who use these services whether they consent to sharing this space with male bodied people. Please show me one single risk assessment where the female users views were included . You won't find one.
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It is. Sexism disguised as "caring and kind".
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Thanks Brian. It's reassuring to know that as a 5'2" woman I'm entitled - in a lonely public toilet, late at night - to challenge the presence of someone who towers over me. Especially if that person may characterise 'misgendering' as tantamount to murder.
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It just shows the privileged existence Brian has grown up having as a white male: never having to be afraid of situations like this & completely unable to understand the incredible danger women would put themselves in if they were to do as he suggests.
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I’ve never known a woman “behave inappropriately” in a changing room in all my 47 years. Why are you so unable to understand that females want & need time away from males: male bodies, male violence, male entitlement, the male _gaze_?
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Me neither! Never been flashed at by one, deliberately followed late at night by one, leered at by one or sexually assaulted by one. Men, on the other hand....
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I have never in all my 48 years on the planet seen a woman behaving inappropriately in the toilet or changing rooms. But I have been a victim of male sexual abuse and male violence many times over. Women need our safe single sex spaces.
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And I have never in all my ancient life felt even remotely threatened by a woman in a toilet or changing room. They could be sober, drunk, silent, shrieking, old, young, tall, small, in groups, alone, anywhere, anytime. Men are the threat. Not all men but it only takes one.
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I am a woman despite my tweeter name, and have lived to a ripe old age, including many years of being wild and have never, ever found a woman behaving inappropriately in a changing room or bathroom or had any problem with a lesbian. 1/2
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And this to my mind shows that male-bodied people have not much of a clue about womanhood
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Inhate the laes ian argument, i have made it to 47, and i have never once been given the heebie jebbies by a woman, like i have many many times by men.
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I've never ever experienced or heard of anyone else experiencing a woman behaving inappropriately in women's changing rooms. I think perhaps you're thinking of gross p0rn films? And women are socialised to NOT challenge dodgy men, for v good reasons - they kill 2 of us every week
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Worst I've ever seen was a paralytic woman who collapsed in the cubicle. We all made sure she was ok and in a taxi home. Perhaps young women crying over some douche to a rousing chorus of 'he ain't worth it hun!' from the rest of the women in the ladies. Brian seems pig ignorant!
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I often find the amount of solidarity and sisterhood you find in the ladies loos on a night out to be so heartwarming it's kinda beautiful, and something Brian seems pretty oblivious to.
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. But this is the thing: with self-ID, you couldn’t question someone’s presence. They are allowed to be in that space because they say they are. That’s a big change and a big concern, I think