I’m chiefly concerned about ensuring the safety of women and girls against male violence, to be honest.
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The majority of women probably stay quiet out of fear. We know they’re men. We don’t know how they will react if anything is said. So we shut up and leave them to it. Don’t mistake silence for acceptance please.
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“The majority of women probably...”
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"Most say the majority of women...." We can all do that Brian. Unless you've conducted a poll, you are no more in a position to call this than anyone else.
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We should all do that. I’m not saying your opinion is not valid. I’m just pointing out, in the absence of a comprehensive survey, I should say “in my experience” or “in my opinion” rather than state “most men think”. I think we agree. I’m sorry if the way I expressed it was wrong
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Your response was incredibly dismissive and you know it. Having spoken to many women I can tell you whilst most will accept someone they know personally, the presence a male stranger in a space where they are vulnerable and in a state of undress is completely different.
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This is Twitter. I’m responding to hundreds of tweets as I’m the only one engaging. I apologise if my shorthand caused offence. It was not intended and I did not realise it would cause the reaction it did. You have to make allowances. I’m a man but I’m not a misogynist.
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I know and I appreciate your efforts to do so. Comments like that make people doubt your sincerity though - as you’ve seen.
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I am laughing now thank goodness. I do get it.
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You are placing a burden upon women to be accepting of people who pose a real risk. Sex-based facilities are there when we are menstruating, changing, with kids, vulnerable. We can’t be made responsible for the feelings of dysphoric men. Our world should get more safe, not less.
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Most genuine trans women do not pose a threat to women.
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Absolutely - but this woman is not worried about genuine cases. It's the opportunist males that concern me. Proposed changes to the GRA will throw open the doors to them. It's naive to underestimate the lengths to which predators will go to gain access to vulnerable females.
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We need safeguards
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We need a way of enforcing female-only space. It's incumbent on everyone who supports self-ID & claims it won't diminish women's right to single-sex space to come up with answers. Female-only service-providers need an objective way of identifying natal males. What do you suggest?
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Decisions need to be made on an individual basis
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That might have worked when we were talking about 5,000 transsexuals. We are now talking about 500,000 'trans' who want self-ID. Perhaps 250,000 men who want access to women's facilities. Only 5,000 of them are transsexuals. The rest have no surgery. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1014593708904329216.html …
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So you are going to interview a quarter of a million men to find out if they can be trusted in women's toilets, in changing rooms with children? The fact that they don't have dysphoria and they want access might be a clue.
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They tend not to ask us how we feel when they access our spaces. Women will usually stay quiet and not challenge men. We will quietly exit asap and say nothing. This does not mean acceptance just fear of asking them to leave our spaces, fear of retribution and/or violence.
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Spot-on, Fishdog. I have been 'loomed' over by a 6ft man dressed as a woman in the ladies before now, and I exited as quickly and discreetly as I could. He had clocked my double-take, but I said nothing. Just hurried out. Thing was, I didn't know him. He was a stranger.
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I didn't know if he was harmless or not. I just needed to leave without being challenged for my unguarded moment of surprise. I didn't want to do anything that might cause him offence because he was bigger than me. It was not 'acceptance', it was self-preservation.
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This is why I get angry with the likes of Jane Faye publicly announcing they've been using women spaces for years and no one has ever objected. Faye must stand 6 foot 3 without heels. Unless you have the steel of
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Specially not someone who has voiced the opinion that the murder of women is just ‘domestic violence gone wrong’ and clearly feels we are making a bit of a fuss about it. I’d think twice about upsetting him.
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