On loos - men's loos contain urinals whereas cubicles mean you don't see what other people are up to
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Currently, women have the right to object to, or challenge/report suspicious or unusual behaviour. With self id, women loose this right. Unless it is obviously very overt criminal behaviour, I think most women would remove themselves, rather than risk falling foul of the law.
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Much like the allsorts school guidance which advises that girls (who are uncomfortable or intimidated by a trans girl in their changing room) should be the one removed. For most teenage girls, the thought of being semi naked/ flooding/ whatever, in front of a teenage male...
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no matter how they identify, would be utterly mortifying. To object would have them labeled a transphobe which would be social suicide and so they have to suck it up!? Not use the facilities?
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This isn't prejudice against trans women, this is the result of growing up in a world where women and girls are subjected to sexist, intimidating and threatening behaviour from men.
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The second part of the sentence I agree with and it needs to change
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Yes, it does. But I can't see how sacrificing women's boundaries and ability to say no, accomplishes that. I am understand that the gra requires reform but it needs to be balanced. Despite assertions to the contrary, it does indeed have ramifications on sex based rights of the EA
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@brianpaddick, can you think of a good reason why - society should sanction the uncontrolled falsification of birth certificates? - women & girls should give up our sex-based boundaries? Why is subverting the status quo desirable? Is it reasonable? What are the costs & risks? - 2 more replies
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No but I’ve been the victim of male domestic violence so I know what it feels like not to feel safe in your own home. I’m guessing it’s something like that. But I haven’t been raped & can’t imagine the trauma that leaves some survivors with. Many trans women have & do understand.
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Brian is right Jacky. Male violence was around long before the GRA was law. Why would a man pretend he was trans or female to attack a woman? He would have no difficulty attacking her just by being himself.
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First off Jacky, I’m not a man. Please don’t be rude by calling me that. Insults don’t help this sort of discussion. Trans people have been around for decades. There is no evidence that their existence has facilitated male violence against women.
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I think that a concern is that confusion over the GRA is leading businesses (and changing social convention) to make it easier for predatory men to access women's spaces. This is a safeguarding issue, that is not the fault of transwomen, but needs resolving for everyone's safety.
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And there have been plenty of "trans women" who have committed crimes: Dana Rivers and Shiloh Quinne are both murderers. Allison Woolbert is a rapist. "trans women" are men - they are no more and NO LESS of a danger to real women than other men.
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I'd be really interested to see good data on criminal behaviour and discrimination. It would be really useful for making good decisions around crime prevention, safeguarding etc. Of course you need to know who is trans to gather this info.
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My guess is that if crime stats were recorded under "men" and "men who claim to be something other than men" that the two columns would show the same rate of crime.
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