You are not listening. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of women pushed out of public life, and that's just to start with, and you couldn't care less.
Personal insults now. Do you wonder why anyone is prepared to listen?
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If I wasn’t listening, I wouldn’t be asking questions. I have asked why they are being pushed out of public life and I’m not getting an answer. What proposed changes to the GRA will force “hundreds of thousands” of women out of public life?
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If males are allowed access to female only space that drives women out of public spaces. Especially, but not exclusively, women who, because of cultural norms, are unable to share intimate space with males.
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Males are not going to be allowed into female only spaces as a result of proposed changes to the GRA. And what female only spaces are public spaces necessary for women to participate in public life?
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I’m concerned that if self ID is allowed and the notion that transwomen are women is accepted, males will be allowed into female spaces as they will be viewed as actual females. Spaces: toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, but mostly prisons & refuges.
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As now, prison and refuge places will be decided on an individual risk assessment.
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I think that refuges are already under pressure now, because they can lose funding if they are ‘not inclusive’ and that men should never be housed in prison with women. But my point was that accepting people can change sex means the EA could be bypassed?
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I’m being told that it will not
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“Is this the only factually inaccurate statement in your tweets? We need reasoned, reasonable & factually accurate debate.” This seems dismissive and less than wholly polite, yet most of the responses were civil.
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I apologise if it came across that way. In any event, it does not justify the torrent of abuse I just received. I am one of the few politicians who have met with and listened to all sides. There are opinions masquerading as facts & they need to be called out.
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Brian, I have been nothing but respectful, and consistently argued for rational, evidence-based debate. Yet you've insinuated that I have indulged in "opinions masquerading as facts" that "need to be called out" and that I made a "factually inaccurate statement". It's dispiriting
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when I've provided you with credible sources for these figures on the other part of this thread, and shown you why yours are incorrect. I must ask: are there *any* facts and figures that will persuade you that women are entitled to defend our existing right to female-only space?
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And you’ve failed to answer the perfectly reasonable questions I’ve asked you to support your assertions that you describe as facts. I don’t dispute there are real issues with violence against women and girls. What I am disputing is speculation about GRA changes & their impact.
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But, with respect, Brian, it doesn't matter whether we are discussing the rights of 2.5M Muslim women, or 163k Muslim women. Their rights should not be eroded. You know that. You're picking on irrelevant statistical inaccuracies to avoid discussing the real issues. Why do that?
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No I’m questioning doubtful information. When I ask for verification e.g. what assumptions are being made about how Muslim women will react, silence. I am questioning the nature of the debate not the substantial issues. How do I counter arguments that there is scaremongering?
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@WomanEqualities will have looked at evidence and impact of this in their select committee enquiry, as they represent the interests of women and religious minorities as well as trans people:https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/transgender-equality/ … - 1 more reply
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Yes. Women not being scrupulously polite. That's the real problem. If even one woman is harmed it is one too many. Women are always belittled for insisting that our boundaries be respected. It's a daily battle. We refuse to back down for "niceness" sake.
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