Neither of us were at the meeting but I have the advantage of knowing @LizBarkerLords. Liz is trying her level best to manage what has become a very volatile situation. Trans people suffer appalling prejudice & discrimination & also need safe spaces to discuss their own issues.
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Many muslim women take off their hijab in the mirror/washbasin area of female public toilets to tidy themselves up in the presence of other women. Making toilets mixed sex (gender-neutral) means they can no longer freely use these spaces.
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There is nothing in the proposed changes to the GRA about public toilets or who can use them or changing them from single sex.
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However, mixed sex (gender neutral) toilets and spaces are popping up all over the place in anticipation of self-id. Many formerly women's only spaces are being renamed 'gender neutral' to accomodate everyone. Because women are so accomodating.
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And there appears to be great confusion over who can and who can't use women's toilets, e.g. in this BBC article that last paragraph appear to me to be saying that this pub was acting illegally.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-39415622 …
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It is not against the law now for males to access female only spaces, only convention, common decency and common sense.
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So legally, they are not single-sex?
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Correct. There is no statute law.
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We won't have accurate figures until 2021 - and tbh it's irrelevant as we're still talking about over 2 million women - but mine are closer to the truth than yours. The 2016 Pew figures show that the Muslim population in 2016 was 6.3% of the then UK population: 4,116,924 people.
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This issue is relevant to religious people of many faiths whose beliefs demand sex-segregation. The point is that there need to be comprehensive, transparent IMPACT ASSESSMENTS of how the demands being made by one of the protected characteristics will affect each of the other 8.
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At the moment those trying to drive self-ID into UK law are suggesting that there will be no impact on any of the other groups with protected characteristics - women, disabled people, religious & racial groups, lesbians etc. People in these groups must be asked re THEIR needs.
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You are again ignoring the importance of sex-segregated toilets for women, who can't leave home unless safe toilet facilities are available. Muslim women are not allowed to use mixed sex facilities. Should they all abandon public life?
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