It seems to me that the problem springs from the conflation of two separate debates, which would perhaps be better discussed in isolation from each other.
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Hi Brian, I think we can agree on the need for safe spaces. Unfortunately I think a key reason that this has become a volatile situation is that women are being told we must cede ours, and the language we use to discuss ourselves is being forbidden.
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The big question in the minds of most women is "Why should someone who until 10 years ago would have been called a transvestite or pre-op MtF TS be granted automatic access to female-only spaces and a female birth certificate as a solution to men's alleged hostility to them?"
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I see no evidence that trans people in the UK suffer more "appalling prejudice and discrimination" than women and think we need to compare hard facts before making any decisions that diminish women's rights or alter the balance of rights vis-à-vis other protected characteristics.
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Why don't men campaign to make male spaces safer for those who identify as feminine, if (as has yet to be proved) these places are dangerous? Why are men's loos not being made unisex? Why are men not giving up jobs & resources to empower MtF TSs? Why do trans rights = women lose?
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Why should 2.5m Muslim women stop participating in public life because female-only spaces will become mixed-sex if any man can claim he's female? Why should 6m disabled/learning-disabled women who need same-sex privacy for toileting lose independence because males are there?
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Total U.K. Muslim population 2.6m. Asian women participating in sport 12.5% (nearest equivalent measure) = 163,000. Is this the only factually inaccurate statement in your tweets? We need reasoned, reasonable & factually accurate debate. https://www.womeninsport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Muslim-Women-in-Sport.pdf?x99836 …
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You are using figures from 2010, Brian, which are drastically out of date. The 2011 census showed 2,706,066 Muslims in the UK, while more recent Pew research shows that the size of Muslim population in 2016 was 6.3% of the UK population (which was 65.348m in 2016) i.e. 4,116,924.
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The 2016 figure for Muslim women *alone* was therefore c. 2.06m. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/29/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/ … Given that the Muslim population will increase exponentially faster than other demographics, even with no further migration, and that a larger proportion of Muslim women on average
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So do women? What are you doing about that? Or do they not matter?
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Yes women do and I have been meeting women’s groups to end violence against women and girls ever since I entered Parliament and before that, as a police officer.
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But you are jow happy to throw women under the bus for trans peiple. Why are you not dealing with the fact transwomen do not feel safe because of male violence. Why not make male spaces safer?
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No one is throwing women under the bus and I can only assume you’re deliberately not reading my responses about male violence because it doesn’t suit your argument.
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So rather than make male spaces safer for transwomen, women are expected to share their spaces. How is this not throwing women under the bus? We are expected to share with males, men do not give up anything. How is this fair?
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We also get non personed by the
#NHS via quacks like .@GenderCareDrL for complaining about#MedicalInjury from#OffTicket meds Especially those of us that oppose the erosion of actual#WomensRights to#safespaces The#TransCult call us#Truscum How about looking into that Brian? -
I’m looking at every aspect and listening to as many voices as I can
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Perhaps you can look into the issues I raise then? & Why .
@GenderCareDrL is allowed by .@uclh .@WLMHT & now .@TaviAndPort to get away with casting out those he has injured with#GnRH Please
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Safe spaces are important women have worked to create their own safe spaces it maybe time for trans people to create their safe spaces it should a question of respect but feels like some trans people don't respect what women have do to challenge sexism, protect women & win rights
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Can't speak for all, but many trans women I speak to are experiencing sexism and with that understanding are good allies when it comes to calling it out.
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They are not experiencing sexism. They are not being discriminated against because they are women. They may experience hostility due to their trans identity (which is wrong on all counts) but it ain’t sexism. No man experiences misogyny. Examples please. Where are these allies?
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Trans don't experience seixism bc people know that they are not natal women. Trans experience issues bc people may not accept transgender folks, but they certainly are not experiencing sexism as women experience sexism. They are not seen as the same as women.
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