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    1. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
      Replying to @StefanPaas @opticon9

      The US is trying to lock up Muslim parents for life for circumcising their daughters in a manner that is less invasive than how they circumcise their sons, in what they regard as equally central to keeping their relgion: http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2017/08/does-female-genital-mutilation-have-health-benefits-the-problem-with-medicalizing-morality/ …

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    2. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
      Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9

      Possibly, but then again, outlawing FGC does not outlaw Islam as such. MGC is far more central to Judaism than FGC to Islam. Within Islam there are plenty of theologically authorized, traditional options to do without FGC. Not so with Judaism and MGC.

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    3. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
      Replying to @StefanPaas @opticon9

      "Theologically authorized" ... ? What does that mean? There are millions of people for whom FGC (Islam or no Islam) is central to their way of life, identity, sense of tradition, and so on, going back thousands of years. How is that less deserving of respect than "theology"?

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    4. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
      Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9

      I'm not talking about 'respect'; I'm simply saying that there are plenty of ways to be a good Muslim (according to all major schools) without circumcising girls. The same goes for Coptic Christians. FGC is highly contested even within these religions.

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    5. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
      Replying to @StefanPaas @briandavidearp @opticon9

      So, as far as 'being a good Muslim or Christian' is important to these people, their own religions say that they can be so perfectly (or even better) without FGC. That's where the analogy with Judaism and MGC breaks down.

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    6. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
      Replying to @StefanPaas @briandavidearp @opticon9

      For Jews MGC is a Torah commandment. It is virtually universally defended as the cornerstone of Jewish identity. According to almost all rabbis there is no way for a man to be a Jew without circumcision. There is not a good way to be a religious Jew (even liberal) without MGC

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    7. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
      Replying to @StefanPaas @opticon9

      Such commandments are only compelling as such if you are a religious fundamentalist/literalist who adheres to devine command theory, which is almost impossible to defend philosophically. All others engage in interpretation of scripture in light of other (moral) norms.

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    8. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
      Replying to @briandavidearp @StefanPaas @opticon9

      Finally, most Jews worldwide r atheists or otherwise non-religious. They are not doing it because of divine command. They are doing it for "merely cultural" reasons, on par with those who practice FGC.https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jews-least-observant-int-l-poll-finds-1.5287579 …

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    9. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
      Replying to @briandavidearp @StefanPaas @opticon9

      Thus, if you need to ground a practice in divine command/ literal interpretation of scripture for it to be treated with serious consideration & legally protected, then far fewer circumcisions should be permitted than currently are.

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    10. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
      Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9

      That's not even necessary. If religious people themselves find it a crucial component of their religion, for whatever reason, then the legislator has to take that at face value. The legislator does not act as a theologian or a philosopher.

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      Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
      Replying to @StefanPaas @opticon9

      Right, so I’m telling you that millions of Muslims find FGC a crucial part of their religion. But you did not seem to think that was worth taking at face value.

      12:12 PM - 6 Apr 2018
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        2. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
          Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9

          Of course the judge should take it at face value, and then he/she can decide whether outlawing it would mean to hamper Muslim identity to such an extent that their religious liberty is damaged beyond fairness. But he/she does not decide what is 'really' religious, etc.

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        3. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
          Replying to @StefanPaas @briandavidearp @opticon9

          And my point is: in this case the performance of Muslim religion is not hampered all too much by outlawing FGC.

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        4. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Apr 6
          Replying to @StefanPaas @opticon9

          There are many Muslim communities that would strongly disagree with you.

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        5. Stefan Paas‏ @StefanPaas Apr 6
          Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9

          Well, outlawing FGC has only provoked very limited protests among Muslim minorities in the West. They seem to go along with it quite unproblematically. I sincerely doubt that the same would happen if MGC were outlawed, don't you think?

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