And of course there is also a difference between what 'some sects' believe about the Hadieth, and what is authoritative and universal tradition in the mainstream of a religion. FGC isn't, not even in Islam. It does not have by far the status of MGC.
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Replying to @StefanPaas @opticon9
My thoughts on the “religion” argument are here - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316505694_Reason_and_paradox_in_medical_and_family_law_shaping_children's_bodies … - I hope you’ll consider giving it a read
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Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9
I might. But calling it a day now. Thanks for your time and effort.
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Interesting paper, and a careful argument. A few questions, though. 1. it strikes me that you nowhere seem to define what 'harm' is. You note that it is a difficult and culture-dependent concept, but as it is so crucial to your argument: how do you define 'harm'?pic.twitter.com/8J1Bd1uF0t
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When discussing the (possible) health advantaged of MGC and state that they do not outweigh the possible harm that is done, I wonder how this argument would look like if MGC would be done only in strictly hygienic conditions and in the least invasive form. Any studies into that?pic.twitter.com/8gu1N0EFUt
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3. Although you make an argument that for Muslims FGC and MGC have an equal religious basis, you seem to avoid the question how this is in Judaism. Judaism is primarily a religion of practice (rather than doctrine) and MGC is the key practice. Any thoughts?
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To me this last point is the most important, actually. I know that you want to make a moral argument, not a legal one (although you do make suggestions in that respect), but my concern is about citizen rights. Outlawing MGC would mean outlawing Judaism. >
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> In terms of equal treatment of citizens and basic equity of law this is a very heavy consequence indeed. As it is not to be expected that Jews would obey this law, it would mean that Iceland locks up parents, rabbis, etc., essentially for keeping their religion
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So, I like to see this discussion about morality, and by all means let Jews and Muslims have this discussion and look for ways to avoid or minimize MGC, but when this discussion is done with legal prohibition in the background it is no longer safe, and not really a debate anymore
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I mean for you and me it's just a moral discussion that will not change our lifestyle one bit (we are involved, not committed), but for Jews (in Iceland) this is about their lives and consciences.
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It is also about the male children raised in Jewish families, and about their lives, and the consequences of having a substantial part of their penis removed because of their parents' religious commitments
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Replying to @briandavidearp @opticon9
Can't see what this is a response to, but I think we went through this yesterday.
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