If you can't see how the dog-humping paper is ridiculous, you're part of the problem.https://twitter.com/briandavidearp/status/1056627434211213314 …
... truth’) before I could evaluate whether the claim had any merit, and that, as is generally the case, merely knowing the punchline of a paper written in bad faith without carefully reading it is not enough for me to conclude in advance its argument cannot have had any value.
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Yes, it's a different objection. Surely you see that? Methods to content. Of course, people can disagree on either or both but you gave no indication of disagreement with our assessment of the fields before, just how we went about doing it.
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We've spent a lot of time talking to people who jumped from one objection to another and it makes for neverending and pointless conversations. There's an awful lot of resistance of the idea that it can be OK to critique these fields.I'm now wary of trying to talk to ppl who do it
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Well I can certainly understand that. I see that you’ve been bombarded with many scattered tweets that are very accusatory and defensive etc & I can empathize w how exhausting it must be to keep fending all that off.
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I wrote initial thoughts some time ago & haven’t said anything more, haven’t harassed u all or spoken ill. Tried2 engage w u in positive way first time. Today James tweeted me out of blue w weird disingenuous-seeming questions, snide comments etc. I didn’t come at u for a debate
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We just thought we'd laid the mistaken belief that we were making comparative claims to rest so James queried your pinned tweet still saying it. I think. Was that it?
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And I said right away that I just hadn’t gotten around to unpinning it. I hadn’t thought much about all this since then. I was just trying to take James’s questions as they came.
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You don't have to unpin it. I'm sorry if you felt jumped on. We are just sick of being repeatedly misunderstood having tried so hard to be clear.
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I don't think he needs to unpin it, but he should justify having pinned it and left it there. That's why I asked. I thought his take was bad and disappointing on the 3rd, and I was surprised to find he was so glad about it that he had pinned it.
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So all three things you just attributed to me were misrepresentations and false, whether you intended them that way or not. I hope there’s a way to recover a more charitable discussion but I fear this may not be the venue
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I'm not meaning to misrepresent you, just pointing out the objection has changed and you now think we might disagree on the nature of our problem with these fields rather than how to go about addressing it.
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I said in my very first tweet thread from last week or whenever it was that I thought some of your characterizations of the fields you critiqued could have been more charitable & less broad brushed. I agree w much of ur critique & also see some as not very nuanced.
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We can discuss that another day but its in the Areo piece and I don't know how we can be more charitable than spelling out exactly what ideas we disagree with and why and stressing that they are not representative of everyone who studies gender, race & sexuality.
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You keep jumping from one objection to another. First it was methods, then epistemology & worth of fields, now we're generalising. Our views on all of these are in the Areo piece & I'm suspecting this is going to be one of those neverending & reaching conversations.
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I'm happy that we've come to an understanding on one thing and we can show all we have written about not generalising. If we're going to disagree on whether that approach has worth, I'm going to set that out in my book which will be a much better forum than Twitter for doing so.
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I am (admittedly uncharitably) concerned that if I answer your new objections, more will emerge and I just don't have time. We *are* going to criticise these fields for the reasons we've given & have written and will write much about why. That will have to do.
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Helen that’s all totally fine. You must be exhausted from all the conflict. I was trying to get some work done today as well, & started getting pinged @ by James, poking me to say whether I “stood by” my old string of tweets. I tried my best to answer honestly & w/o confrontation
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