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    1. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
      Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought the point was supposed to be that when you *successfully* break down someone else's reality, the loss of that reality is painful. So rather than stuff your success in the loser's face, you should be kind.

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    2. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
      Replying to @limerickless @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      Perhaps - so, let's say someone holds a truly evil view. And you successfully dissuade them of it. You're saying, why should I now be kind to this person when I could rather stuff my success in the person's face? What good would that do?

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    3. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
      Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      So let’s say you’re arguing with a genocidal monster, and you successfully convince them that genocide is wrong. That’s only one aspect of their reality. And maybe they’re sad that they’re wrong. Maybe they remain racist and sexist and anti-Semitic etc. Why be kind?

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    4. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
      Replying to @limerickless @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      Sure - I mean, if you want to literally come up with cartoon monster examples then maybe we get a different analysis. I thought the post was meant to be a practical guide to common real life cases in a polarized world.

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    5. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
      Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      In order to make progress in ethics, we have to understand the limits of general statements about kindness. There are many people with evil views: homophobes, misogynists, racists, anti-semites, &c. I suggest not putting your head in the sand. Nothing I have said is cartoonish.

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    6. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
      Replying to @limerickless @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      I'm not sure I understand your view. You believe that there are many genocidal monsters who are also homophobic, misogynistic, racist, and anti-semitic, who could be successfully dissuaded of their belief that genocide is not wrong, while leaving all those other beliefs intact?

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    7. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
      Replying to @briandavidearp @limerickless and

      Then, having been persuaded of the wrongness of this one belief of theirs, somehow in isolation of all those other evil beliefs, the most morally productive next step (in, e.g., getting them to change those other evil views) would be to make sure not to be kind to them?

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    8. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
      Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      You are focused only on what is productive, as if this were the alpha and omega of ethical conduct. It isn’t. Some reactions are morally justified, even if they are not themselves productive of better consequences than alternatives. /1

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    9. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
      Replying to @limerickless @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      I'm focused on what is productive because the article was about the pragmatics of belief formation and change (i.e., the context of this discussion), not because I was advancing a general moral theory by way of a tweet.

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    10. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
      Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      And I’m focused on the “always remember” sentence quoted in the initial tweet. That sentence, as I see it, is false. The quicker we recognize its falsehood, the easier it becomes to move on to other matters. But sticking to a falsehood doesn’t help anything.

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      Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
      Replying to @limerickless @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

      The author of that quote was, pretty clearly, not advancing a general moral theory to be applied strictly via the universal qualifier to all situations. In any event,"Always remember" is modifying the "breaking down reality" claim; it is not clear it is modifying "be kind."

      9:01 PM - 21 Sep 2018
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        2. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
          Replying to @briandavidearp @limerickless and

          And anyway, when someone is not writing a formal piece of philosophy but is rather trying to communicate a somewhat nuanced idea that might very well advance a more virtuous approach to disputation generally, it rather misses the mark to fire back "WHAT ABOUT X" claims.

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        3. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
          Replying to @briandavidearp @limerickless and

          As far as I can tell, your view is that it's important to stress that, when arguing with a genocidal monster/racist/anti-semite, breaking down their worldview is good; the pain they may feel is morally irrelevant (or perhaps good?); and being unkind to them is justified. Yes?

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        4. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
          Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

          No, the pain is not morally irrelevant. Whether it is good or bad or neither depends on the situation. See, nuance. Not being kind can be justified, yes, especially when the abandoned belief is only one of a constellation of horrors.

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        5. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
          Replying to @limerickless @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

          Yes, depending on the particulars of a case, almost any reaction can be justified. But the spirit of the author's message I thought was clear and the intended scope of the exhortation seemed to be cases of a more typical & pragmatic nature, not constellations of horrors.

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        6. Brian D. Earp‏ @briandavidearp Sep 21
          Replying to @briandavidearp @limerickless and

          I can't tell if we're having a useful exchange or just kind of talking past each other. I hope not the latter, but, in any event, I wish you all the best - have to head to sleep now.

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        1. Samuel Rickless‏ @limerickless Sep 21
          Replying to @briandavidearp @philosophybites @A_Philos_Take

          Perhaps, but it was tweeted in abstraction from everything else. And “be kind” was not qualified. I am seeking qualification, it’s really not complicated or difficult to understand or acknowledge. And I am not denigrating the suitably qualified point.

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