“The Jews, I know I’m one of them are an unmasked genital mutilation cult. That is why we are so clannish. It is our shared delusion of superiority that we must uphold to maintain our perverted tribal identity.”-Eric Clopper.
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Replying to @Gregory_Malchuk @jerzy_freitag and
@jerzy_freitag@briandavidearp@ChooseIntact 1)We are not a genital mutilation cult.2)We aren’t particularly clannish. 3)We don’t have a shared delusion of superiority.4)We don’t have a perverted tribal identity. None of it is true and all of it is antisemitic.3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes -
Replying to @eliungar @jerzy_freitag and
lmfant clrcumcision makes all of those statements look true. Genital mutilation cult, clannish (in defence of clrcumclslon), delusion of superiority (that is related to clrcumclslon), and tribal identity (built around clrcumclslon).
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Replying to @Gregory_Malchuk @jerzy_freitag and
This is all demonstrable nonsense. It’s also lazy thinking to assume that the thing you care most about is what defines an entire people group. But lazy thinking is kind of how racism and bigotry work.
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Replying to @eliungar @Gregory_Malchuk and
I think your point is exactly right, Eli. But I wonder what you make, in this context, of
@beccasteinfeld 's claim that circumcision is a 'definitional Jewish practice"? https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-child-rights-over-circumcision-1.5294575 … , i.e., it isn't the case that most or even many Jews regard c. as somehow peripheral1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @briandavidearp @Gregory_Malchuk and
It’s definitely seen as a central ritual. Not trying to argue that it isn’t. But the notion that Judaism can be reduced to being called a “genital mutilation cult” is ridiculous. Not least because it doesn’t apply to at least half of us.
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Replying to @eliungar @Gregory_Malchuk and
In that at least half are not circumcised (i.e., Jewish women)? I thought the point was more about pariticpation in or endorsement of circumcision & the view it is in some way 'definitional' - which I gather is a lot more than half - not just being on receiving end of it, no?
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Replying to @briandavidearp @Gregory_Malchuk and
Yes. Jewish women. Look, it’s an important Mitzvah, but if you’re religious it is 1 of 613. And yes, there’s a lot of importance placed on it by the rabbis, but it’s not something that people spend a lot of time thinking about unless legislation is being considered. 1/2
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Replying to @eliungar @briandavidearp and
Isn't it the jews reducing themselves to it? When discussion a change you always hear that every single of the 613 rules can be adopted or interpreted widley but the one rule to circumcise is the exception to that, the one rule that cannot be discussed or changed.
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I often hear this - and when I ask why it’s the one exception, I have never, ever heard an even remotely cogent reason ... I feel in those moments like the interlocutor knows it can’t be defended and so must retreat to ineffable mysteries and dogmatic avoidance
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