Where's the lie?
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Replying to @Gregory_Malchuk @jerzy_freitag and
@jerzy_freitag@briandavidearp@ChooseIntact 1)We are not a genital mutilation cult.2)We aren’t particularly clannish. 3)We don’t have a shared delusion of superiority.4)We don’t have a perverted tribal identity. None of it is true and all of it is antisemitic.3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes -
Replying to @eliungar @jerzy_freitag and
lmfant clrcumcision makes all of those statements look true. Genital mutilation cult, clannish (in defence of clrcumclslon), delusion of superiority (that is related to clrcumclslon), and tribal identity (built around clrcumclslon).
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Replying to @Gregory_Malchuk @jerzy_freitag and
This is all demonstrable nonsense. It’s also lazy thinking to assume that the thing you care most about is what defines an entire people group. But lazy thinking is kind of how racism and bigotry work.
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Replying to @eliungar @Gregory_Malchuk and
I think your point is exactly right, Eli. But I wonder what you make, in this context, of
@beccasteinfeld 's claim that circumcision is a 'definitional Jewish practice"? https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-child-rights-over-circumcision-1.5294575 … , i.e., it isn't the case that most or even many Jews regard c. as somehow peripheral1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @briandavidearp @Gregory_Malchuk and
It’s definitely seen as a central ritual. Not trying to argue that it isn’t. But the notion that Judaism can be reduced to being called a “genital mutilation cult” is ridiculous. Not least because it doesn’t apply to at least half of us.
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Replying to @eliungar @Gregory_Malchuk and
In that at least half are not circumcised (i.e., Jewish women)? I thought the point was more about pariticpation in or endorsement of circumcision & the view it is in some way 'definitional' - which I gather is a lot more than half - not just being on receiving end of it, no?
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Replying to @briandavidearp @Gregory_Malchuk and
Yes. Jewish women. Look, it’s an important Mitzvah, but if you’re religious it is 1 of 613. And yes, there’s a lot of importance placed on it by the rabbis, but it’s not something that people spend a lot of time thinking about unless legislation is being considered. 1/2
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Replying to @eliungar @briandavidearp and
I don't think you can exclude women as they are as eager as men to define their identity by circumcision their boys. And this is how the argument always is: its our identity, EODiscussion.
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Replying to @jerzy_freitag @eliungar and
They are *often* as eager - but I know many Jewish women whose instincts tell them something is really off about the whole thing, that it is patriarchal and so on. I really think using homogenizing language should be avoided as much as possible.
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That said when *some* Jewish women say “my identity requires all healthy boys born into my cultural group have part of their genitals involuntarily removed” this feels, well, not cool. If Jewish girls were cut & a man said this the problem would be immediately obvious to all.
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