Intactivists often get accused of being anti-semetic and related to Adolf Hitter. No, certainly not. We save lives.
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I agree intactivists r trying 2 save children from something that shouldn’t be done to them (though saving lives is presumably not primary goal b/c death risk isnot main issue). But using rhetoric that’s easy2 interp. as A-S is counterproductive. Gives easy excuse to dismiss.
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Hitler wanted2 harm& kill all Jews as a people, includ. Jewish baby boys. Intactivists want2 protect Jewish (&all) babies from harm. So blatantly different yes. But Hitler also promoted group hatred w reductive & homogenizing rhetoric. No one should do this, whatever their goal
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And? Do you agree that Clopper is antisemitic? I listened, too, but I am not convinced.
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“The Jews, I know I’m one of them are an unmasked genital mutilation cult. That is why we are so clannish. It is our shared delusion of superiority that we must uphold to maintain our perverted tribal identity.”-Eric Clopper.
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Where's the lie?
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@jerzy_freitag@briandavidearp@ChooseIntact 1)We are not a genital mutilation cult.2)We aren’t particularly clannish. 3)We don’t have a shared delusion of superiority.4)We don’t have a perverted tribal identity. None of it is true and all of it is antisemitic. -
lmfant clrcumcision makes all of those statements look true. Genital mutilation cult, clannish (in defence of clrcumclslon), delusion of superiority (that is related to clrcumclslon), and tribal identity (built around clrcumclslon).
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This is all demonstrable nonsense. It’s also lazy thinking to assume that the thing you care most about is what defines an entire people group. But lazy thinking is kind of how racism and bigotry work.
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I think your point is exactly right, Eli. But I wonder what you make, in this context, of
@beccasteinfeld 's claim that circumcision is a 'definitional Jewish practice"? https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-child-rights-over-circumcision-1.5294575 … , i.e., it isn't the case that most or even many Jews regard c. as somehow peripheral -
It’s definitely seen as a central ritual. Not trying to argue that it isn’t. But the notion that Judaism can be reduced to being called a “genital mutilation cult” is ridiculous. Not least because it doesn’t apply to at least half of us.
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I don't. The cry of "anti-Semitism" Is used by the most vile, gaslighting Jews (Hitchens vs. Kapner and Schmuley Boteach come to mind) to shut down all criticism of Judaism. A religion that CUTS OFF PARTS OF BABIES' PENISES MUST be mercilessly criticized and mocked.
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Brave words, Gregory Malchuk. A religion that encourages child abuse must mercilessly be criticized and mocked!
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