We should presume these are lies, not just because the principals are notorious liars but also because they continue to conceal information from the committee and refuse to testify under penalty of perjury.
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More pushback on Hutchinson testimony, this time from a Meadows spox telling @nbcnews: "Meadows never sought a pardon and never planned to.” From my convos, as of now, there seems no change in their posture re: testifying w/ the cmte and privilege claims.

