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Exec Director at the Hyperledger Project. Former CTO at the WEF. Former advisor to HHS & EOP. Apache, CollabNet, Organic, Mithril, and more.

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    1. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @BobSummerwill @linuxfoundation @Hyperledger

      This sounds like a pretty solid improvement. A few additional thoughts: (As always, IANAL, TINL) 1/12

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    2. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      I presume your #1 goal is to protect ETC development from the prospect of submarine patents. The best you can here do is protect your community from the owners of patents who attempt to submarine reqs in the specs, or features in code, that require a license to their patent. 2/12

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    3. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      You can't protect against third parties with patents - that's better addressed through patent licensing pools like the Open Invention Network. You're basically just trying to reassure users that they can trust the participants in the process not to have ulterior motives. 3/12

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    4. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      You're also trying to protect against future Craig Wright style threats, when contributors are otherwise anonymous. This is why knowing who contributors are is important, and having a clear grant. (importantly: not just MIT license, which has no patent provision!) 4/12

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    5. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      This is something we'll have to sort out with Rocket Labs if they want to get enterprise adoption for Avalanche. 5/12

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    6. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      This can all come across as a hassle to devs who just want to work together on code, share ideas, and not be a part of the IP industrial complex. This is the kind of anger that leads to MIT-licensed code, or WTFPL, or even nil copyright notice on code. 6/12

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    7. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      All of that presents a danger to end users. If you don't care about your end users, fine, put out code or specs with terms that don't protect them from potential abusers who would use your good will as subterfuge for their ends. Kudos to Bob for caring about ETC users. 7/12

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    8. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      But: code development and standards are different. DCOs and licenses attach to code and protect you from the code's authors. But standards are often the result of conversations and other interactions well beyond code. 8/12

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    9. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      For that reason, standards bodies have typically bonded all participants in a standards discussion to an IP agreement, especially in earlier days. They will also ask their members to signal if they have any IP rights in a standard before that standard is declared final. 9/12

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    10. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      But that's likely not practical in an EIP and ECIP setting, where even if you require non-anonymous authors, you want public input and don't want to burden every potential reviewer with revealing their real name. 10/12

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      brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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      Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

      There is clearly grey area here between the two; most standards specifications these days look and are built a whole lot like code. And even code development can incorporate ideas from discussions or other informal channels. 11/12

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        2. brianbehlendorf‏ @brianbehlendorf Nov 2
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          Replying to @brianbehlendorf @BobSummerwill and

          So this issue affects not only standards processes, but potentially open/public code development processes down the road. I'm not clear on what even the case law is right now on this, but the CW-as-Satoshi thing should make us all particularly wary. 12/12

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        3. Bob Summerwill‏ @BobSummerwill Nov 2
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          Replying to @brianbehlendorf @linuxfoundation @Hyperledger

          Thanks for all the input, Brian! And the CW-as-Satoshi thing is not just theoretical. The trigger for me to look to tighten ETC's IP policies is ProgPOW, whose only non-anon author @OhGodAGirl has strong links to the CW / Ayre group - the same bad actorshttps://bobsummerwill.com/2019/09/17/progpow-author-kristy-leigh-minehan-uninvited-from-etc-summit/ …

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