As someone who's been using haskell for work for over a decade, who's set up dozens upon dozens of Haskell meetups, and who is a strong proponent of Haskell, I agree that it is by far not some esolang, but saying "this is objectively wrong" is just stroking your own ego.
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I'll be honest with you, this kind of stuff alienates and scares people away. You're not doing a great job of improving the message and outreach of fp.
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Hmmm. Thanks, food for thought. I stand by "objective": countless beginners have found it perfectly suitable, in no small part thanks to the good work of people like you. There's no wiggle room there. I don't see how my ego's fingerprints are on this one, though
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The form is part of the message.
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Help me out here, what's the problem - "objectively"? More hedging or softening required? I'm not trying to attack or persuade the author, I'm trying to encourage us (the FP community) to improve our comms, which I think is what you're saying too; perhaps my eye has a log in it
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It positions you as an Infallible Judge of Things which is probably not what you wanted.
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Thanks for your feedback, in any case. I'll have a think
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I'd probably agree with the above sentiment that expressed. But I think the critique could have also initially been worded in a more friendly, empathetic way.
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Thanks Brendan.
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Ultimately the axioms and notation we choose to base our work on are based on experimentation and intuition. There is probably a landscape of 'better' and 'worse' formal systems that could be tested, but we're a long way from being able to design experiments for that.
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I guess I just want to see more flexible thinkers, with a sense of taste and aesthetics. The question I want to know is: how do we be open to newcomers that we don't have all the answers, but also not confuse them with too many options at the start?
And also at the same time sating their natural desire to want to get to use 'industrial languages' that 'real programmers use'. I think it takes some careful psychology and wording to navigate that. But you probably have more experience at that .