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Brendan Zabarauskas
@brendanzab
I really hope for better languages than Rust in the future, but I find it disappointing to see how the majority of the new systems langs have ditched memory safety by default. :(
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Brendan Zabarauskas
@brendanzab
There's lots of lessons we should be learning from Rust, but ‘it's fine to put memory safety on the TODO list’ seems like a… weird thing to take away outside of very specific use cases.
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@glaebhoerl
When people criticize Rust's complexity, the response is often to depict this as ignorant because *of course* all the major complexity in Rust follows naturally from its requirements and ... I kinda wonder how much that has to do with it :-\
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Brendan Zabarauskas
@brendanzab
Yeah I agree this is hard to solve. But I guess I'm hopeful for better solutions. Rust was a good initial stab at it, and has done extremely well considering the challenges but I'd love to see more attempts!
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@glaebhoerl
Ditto. I'm especially curious whether a meaningfully different take on / instead of Rust-like lifetimes is possible w.r.t. the problems that addresses.
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Brendan Zabarauskas
@brendanzab
Yeah. I also wonder if there might also be slight reframings to the idea of lifetimes that could end up being simpler in the end, perhaps with some adjustments to the initial assumptions - like a stronger focus on allocators or something else.
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