The Rich Hickey talk gets way better if you frame it as closed vs. open world instead of static vs. dynamic.
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Yeah, very little of it seems to actually be about static vs dynamic. It's mostly just a quick way for him to set up what he';s actually interested in talking about, which is closed vs open
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Yeah, it's a valid gripe! Just mixed in with a lot of conflations with other unrelated things that aren't inherent to static typing. And then because the Clojure community seems to worship him as all-knowing it rubs off on them as well. 😫
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I thought I'd give the talk a watch at the start of the thread but now you've reminded me why I threw my hands up and left the Clojure community. 😞
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Yeah... it was okay, but you do have to peer through all the excess guck to see that. I don't have much time for gurus and cults of personality these days - feels extremely misleading and damaging, even if there is some truth in the message.
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Exactly this. It breaks my heart to see a community I loved descend into this.
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Ah, I wasn't around early on in Clojure, so I didn't know what it was like early on. Sorry to hear that you lost a good one - it's hard when communities drift away from you.
Once the stakes are high enough all communities will have these gurus and worshippers. We're a pretty primitive species when it comes to computering.
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Seems like you could have ended that sentence five words earlier. 😊
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