And the fundamental point of libertarianism is individual liberty. It’s always about the individual. I don’t agree that collectivism vs individualism is just a preference. Collectives can exist, but if the fundamental individualism isn’t there, then you don’t have libertarianism
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En réponse à @brandon_leleux
Then you must not understand libertarianism fully. Maybe you do, but you're projecting your own preferences onto it.
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En réponse à @realDylanAllman
Maybe we’re approaching this from different spaces. Collectivism by definition is a political governing ideology. I’m not talking about people having groups with similar interests. It’s going to be state initiated. There will be force and coercion.
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En réponse à @realDylanAllman
Okay I will concede this point as the more I have looked it up, the muddier it gets. Many dictionaries are straight up giving it the definition of communism. Do you not agree that self autonomy/ownership is the heart of libertarian philosophy?
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En réponse à @brandon_leleux
Libertarianism has everything to do with voluntary association and the rejection of the initiation of force. This can absolutely fit in with any ideas or preferences one may have. Also, sure. Doesn't exclude someone from being a libertarian if they have certain ideas or pref.
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En réponse à @realDylanAllman
Voluntary association comes from self ownership and so does the NAP. I’m not saying people with unpleasant ways of thinking can’t be libertarians. I’m not excluding anyone and never claimed to be. My point was collectivism is not about self ownership.
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En réponse à @brandon_leleux
Why isn't it? Just because I prefer a group over other individuals doesn't mean I can't acknowledge their self ownership?
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En réponse à @realDylanAllman
That sounds more like group preference than collectivism.
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Group preference is when a group of Cubans don’t want any white people coming to their event. Its preference of a specific group over another. It’s not the same as collectivism.
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