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    1. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus @Hbomberguy

      But you didn't say GTA. You said "video games". But as you're going with that argument, could you show me how the satirical universe of the GTA games is ideologically the same as the incel or white supremacists movement, with the same goals?

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    2. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @bowendesign @StephenArkley and

      Basically incel and white supremacy involve the ultimate goal of eradicating something. So what are @RockstarGames trying to eradicate?

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    3. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
      Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

      So trying to eradicate something is bad? Should we ban the freedom of speech of marxists who call for the eradication of the capitalist class? Feminists who call for eradication of toxic men? Atheists who call for eradication of religion?

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    4. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

      Your argument is confused. Yes, calling for genocide is bad? The eradication of ideas and ideology is fine. You can be against the tenets of Islam without wanting the genocide of Muslims, for example.

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    5. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
      Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

      I'm saying that the mistreatment of the capitalist class under marxism is as equally as inevitable as the subjugation of ethnic minorities will be in Richard Spencer's ethnostate.

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    6. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

      But if class is removed, then there would be no class. That's the flaw in your argument. As improbable as it is, there could be a removal of class systems without violence. There's a difference between class, a societal construct, and skin colour.

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    7. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
      Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

      If we admit that gender is a social construct (which I think it is) do we then find it acceptable to eradicate trans people for being a gender we don't like?

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    8. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

      I should point out, you're trying to make a point about freedom of expression and that a liberal market of ideas DOESN'T lead to violence, but also trying to point out the inevitability of certain ideologies lead to violence. It doesn't help your initial cause.

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    9. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
      Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

      Freedom of speech is a pillar of society. Some ideologies are inherently violent. The marketplace of ideas is the reason we can keep ideologies from releasing their violent potential, otherwise the standard we set is repression. Read Mill's harm principle, it sums this up well

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    10. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

      Freedom of "expression" is a pillar of UK society. I don't personally believe that any of what you argued really proves this point, in fact you've made a point of stating that you believe that violence is the inevitable end point of ideologies you stand against.

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      Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
      Replying to @bowendesign @StephenArkley and

      If you platform or allow the platform of violent, hateful or harmful ideologies, there's plenty of proof (hence; incel terrorism, or even Islamic terrorism if you count the extremist forums of the 00's) leads to the spread and creation of adherents who could commit violent acts.

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        2. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
          Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

          Yeah sure so let's censor racists so they can sneak under our nose and so we can never know what they actually believe until the point is too late. Let them go underground so they can create their own echochamber and avoid any refutation.

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        3. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
          Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

          But they do that anyway. They've done it for years. Societal norms even without censorship means they do this. Deplatforming people has worked - see Milo Yannapoulis' current state of destruction. The echochamber only expands with platforming, which they currently have.

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        4. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
          Replying to @bowendesign @StephenArkley and

          Unless you want to show me studies showing the complete opposite... I mean, we all know about Fox News, right? How does freedom of expression not just create a wider echochamber? I don't see any exchange of ideas when people self-ghettoise.

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        5. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
          Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

          Freedom of expression means people can watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC, it means that there is a plurality of ideas out there for you to go and find and investigate. Compare that to a place without freedom of expression where you have one deeply problematic state network, the answers clear

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        6. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
          Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

          My point is that under US freedoms, malignant societies have already coalesced in the form of the currently extremely vocal white supremacist, alt-right movements etc. So the idea that somehow the marketplace of ideas drowns out and recedes them doesn't hold water.

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        7. Stephen Arkley‏ @StephenArkley Apr 30
          Replying to @bowendesign @angusmcdangus and

          It doesn't drown them out, it exposes them. Regarding the alt-right I don't mean to big myself up but I've had a lot of alt-right friends, even my Dad who I've brought back from the brink. I'd argue my article has done way more than simply shouting at the altright has ever done.

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        8. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
          Replying to @StephenArkley @angusmcdangus and

          But we already know who these people are within the limits of expression under the law we currently have. Otherwise we wouldn't even be having this conversation. We already have an amount of freedom of expression that exposes them and a law system that takes it into account.

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        9. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
          Replying to @bowendesign @StephenArkley and

          I'll keep an eye out for your responses but I have to hit this work as I have a deadline. But it's actually been pretty good debating with you. Thanks. We don't agree and likely won't see eye-to-eye, but hey. We do what we can within the limits we have. ;)

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        1. Moodicorn Vs Sweeticorn‏ @bowendesign Apr 30
          Replying to @bowendesign @StephenArkley and

          I genuinely don't understand how anyone can argue against that fact, when you have proof of the ideological spread of extremism through platforming (the NRA, for example, again) quite literally popping up nearly every week. If anything, it's wildly naive.

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