Mark, are you sure it's "Less efficient to use H2 for stationary electricity due to far more conversion losses"? Modern power-to-gas is 63% efficient round-trip. Thats nothing like pumped hydro's 85%, but it can be centralized because there are already multiple unused pipelines..
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Replying to @jsalsman @NewElectricIRL and
Efficiencies of H2 system for producing electricity: electrolyzer (0.74); compressor (0.90); leakage (0.99); fuel cell (0.5-0.7); latent heat loss in water vapor (0.846) = 0.28 to 0.39 versus battery of 0.8 to 0.9 (with most of the lass during charging).
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Replying to @mzjacobson @NewElectricIRL and
How about methanation (Sabatier and Senderens, 1902) of captured effluent CO2 for recycling in gas power plants instead of fuel cells? Does the 54% efficiency prior to waste heat recovery for Audi's 6 MW E-Gas plant reported on p. 442 here seem reasonable?https://www.docdroid.net/IfMKlA3/power-to-methane.pdf#page=10 …
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Replying to @jsalsman @mzjacobson and
Also, I'd like to see a comparison of capex for batteries versus power-to-methane. And the externalities of converting natural gas plants to carbon-neutral storage?
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Replying to @NewElectricIRL @mzjacobson and
Methanol isn't the same as methenated flue CO2, which is just methane.
@bobwyman knows more about methanol than I do. The George Olah CO2 recycling plant in Iceland makes 2-5 million liters of methanol transportation fuel per year from the Svartsengi Power Station's exhaust.2 replies 1 retweet 1 like -
Replying to @jsalsman @NewElectricIRL and
They call it Volcanol since it comes from CO2 emitted by volcanoes.
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Replying to @bobwyman @NewElectricIRL and
I wonder whether that is more or less easier to work with than natural gas power plant flue exhaust, or the same.
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With geothermal, you get steam along with the CO2, so the reforming process may be easier.
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Replying to @bobwyman @NewElectricIRL and
Steam is in gas power plant flue gas too CH4 + 2O2 → CO2 + 2H2O + heat
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