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    1. Baye‏ @waylybaye 27 May 2019
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      想请教下做硬件的朋友:用相机拍下电路板就能窃取到核心技术了吗?公开售卖的商业设备的电路板和iPhone拆开后盖就能看到的电路板有啥区别吗?为什么看下前者的电路板就能成世界通信巨头,而看了后者的电路板多半会成为一个修理工呢https://twitter.com/phoxtail/status/1133257240213725184 …

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      Jie Zhang @phoxtail
      Replying to @yitianshijieipn
      端传媒有中文版:https://theinitium.com/article/20190528-wsj-huawei-dubious-ethics/ …
      42 replies 16 retweets 40 likes
    2. viav‏ @viav_ban 28 May 2019
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      设计抄不到的时候思路也是很重要的信息,电路板照片能看出来用了什么关键组件,可以据此计算局部性能。如果此公司以前的产品已经被研究透,新型号上的可见区别信息量就更大了。

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    3. Baye‏ @waylybaye 28 May 2019
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      电信行业如果都可以通过看对方电路板来超越对方的话,大家只要不停研究对方电路板就行了,不会出现一家独大的场面,毕竟电路板这东西不算是机密。如果对方看了你一眼电路板就能解决自己的问题并且做出更完善的方案,说明对方的技术储备已经超越或者至少和你是平等的了。

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    4. viav‏ @viav_ban 28 May 2019
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      你把我说的话发挥得太远,这个稻草人我不当。不要说电信了,任何技术行业,就算得到了竞争对手的完整设计资料,就能做出更完善的方案并以此超越对方了吗?另外设计师工程师分析竞争对手的图片虽然没有情报机关那么细致,那也不是“看一眼”那么轻巧。

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    5. Baye‏ @waylybaye 28 May 2019
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      我只是对这篇文章开头的控诉 “华为看了一眼电路板,之后不久成了技术领军者和全球最大电信商” 感到可笑。(当然他没明说,是用春秋笔法表达的这个意思)。

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    6. viav‏ @viav_ban 28 May 2019
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      这篇文章写得也确实就那样了,是财经记者而不是调查记者。

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      owl‏ @blackowl0001 28 May 2019
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      后面也给出了具体事例 也没有空口说白话 又不是人民日报隔空喊话…

      3:13 AM - 28 May 2019
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        2. Baye‏ @waylybaye 28 May 2019
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          后面的事例我都看了,但没有实锤啊,我是说足以证明窃取了核心技术的实锤。抄手册这类事华为干的多了,比如最近抄苹果的 AirPods,HomePod 就非常的恶心。罚个多少亿我也很开心,但我不觉得这是可以让美国动用紧急状态来全面制裁的。

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        3. owl‏ @blackowl0001 28 May 2019
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          后面华为都败诉了啊 要是威胁国家安全有实锤了 不用谈了…

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